FF is a fine pastime if done correctly. Unfortunately maybe 5-10% of people do it correctly.

Notre Dame is inarguably lucky as hell to be undefeated and truly seems to be vulnerable to lose a non-negligible percent of the time to like half of the FBS teams. It would be a shame if they got into the national championship game over undefeated Oregon, and I'm the last one to say nice things about Oregon. But damn, that win in Norman was convincing as ****. They're weird to assess as far as power rankings go.

It's hilarious that IU controls their own destiny to get to the Rose Bowl at this point. If they can pull the home upset over Wisconsin this week (not really out of the question; I don't expect it, but the Hoosiers are only dogs by 6.5 or 7), they'll actually have a good shot at playing in the Big Ten title game. It would be ridiculous, but obviously I'm rooting for it.

ND has been lucky to go undefeated so far, but so has everyone (except for oregon). no ones expected record is 9-0 and you can look at several games for the rest of the top ten as "vulnerable to lose"

ohio state has played just as many close games against weak fbs teams. uga played horrific tennessee and kentucky teams to one score and got raped by south carolina. lsu beat a terrible auburn team 12-10 and has had a bunch of close games. ksu could have easily lost to iowa st. etc etc etc

There are obviously different degrees of this though, and Bama having to pull some magic to beat a great LSU squad is far different than ND's many close calls against **** teams. Luckily for them, Wake Forest and Boston College are both significantly worse than a bad Pittsburgh team, so it's just one more real opponent left. I hope that USC mops them up, but honestly who the hell knows.

Somehow I glossed over your second paragraph since apparently you were just comparing them to those other teams. That much is fair. All I really care about is not seeing them in the title game. They're clearly BCS-worthy.

i dont think anyone would argue they are close to alabama or oregon, and they are a step below KSU. they would hold their own in the giant cluster**** from 4-10 though imo. all those teams have several flaws

I'd match ND pretty closely with Florida I think. I hope they get shafted for the natty and end up playing UGA in the Sugar Bowl.

second biggest **** talker in my league just lost because of the brees kneeldown to a guy who is in last place and is basically inactive. fantasy is great

I just lost by 1 in fantasy based on what happened in MNF. I checked the fantasy scoreboard after the game, thought, "Hmm, that's quaint," and continued on with my evening.

clearly you are just playing with random people, your team sucks, or both

I think my team had the second or third-highest point total in the league this week, and was tied for division lead going into it, for what that's worth. So it was a matchup thing and a bad beat to lose at the end. It's a 2p2 league, so while not IRL friends, I wasn't playing with randoms.

My reaction was unquestionably correct.

2p2 internet people count as randoms

I don't think you know what the word "random" means.

I have played with IRL friends before also. This is the first year I've had a team in several years because I retired due to the inherent depravity of the activity.

Talking **** to friends especially if there is money on it is what makes fantasy fun. I would never play in a random league with no money.

What's the problem with rooting for your fantasy players in a game where you'd previously have no rooting interest? It makes the game more fun.

Obviously agree that something like a degenerate giant "fan" rooting for tony romo all game in a DAL-NYG matchup cause he has him in fantasy is unspeakably awfuk

both posts accurate

texting all my friends back in atlanta during the night games is great. i dont even care about the money

that guy who only talks about his fantasy team at a bar sucks. that guy who roots against his team for fantasy reasons sucks. if you are not that guy then fantasy is awesome

I mean rooting for your fantasy players is fine if...
1. It truly doesn't collide with your IRL team's interest at all. And I mean at all. Not tangentially in the playoff race or the race for seeding or anything.
2. It doesn't cause you to even have mixed feelings about a scoring situation involving a game as mentioned in #1.

For instance, I have Marshawn Lynch on my fantasy team. I usually stay away from getting my own team's players, but the value was clearly there when he got to me so I had to shrug and pull the trigger.

If the Seahawks are on the 1-yard line and punch it in with a handoff to the fullback, my reaction is precisely no different from if they handed it to Lynch. Because, after all, MY TEAM JUST SCORED A TOUCHDOWN. If I reacted with any mixture of anything to the contrary, I should ****ing shoot myself in the face.

I'm sure we can all agree on that.

But you play f.ant.asy for fun. And the Seahawks aren't really playoff contenders.

If him not getting a TD meant the difference between winning a significant amount of money, I'd definitely not be happy. Pretty sure Lynch is also a better option than the FB even from that distance, so it's also suboptimal coaching.

For some people, the difference between fantasy and betting is that fantasy requires you to sometimes bet against your team. You can always avoid betting against your team.


You'd have no problem with someone playing fantasy basketball and strictly rooting for their players. I know that. This is a case of you liking football in a manner where you believe everyone should like it the same way. There are numerous casual NFL fans.

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Purposely NOT choosing players for your fantasy team so that your rooting interests don't collide seems silly.

Unless you like the Browns. Then it's not much different.

This also is definitely terrible. "Oh I can't pick him, he plays for the Bears." **** that ****. Pick the best player possible for your team in every case. Then just don't root for him if it creates a conflict of interest.

Exactly. You aren't going to give up EV for the sake of your team. It's quite easy to have LKJ's opinion when you don't play for any money.

so let me get this straight... you pick the most +EV team possible, yet don't root for your fantasy players if doing so would go against your team of choice.

So, in that scenario, do you just close your eyes and pretend that it isn't happening? If he breaks off a huge TD against your team, there's 0% of you that's happy that your fantasy team is doing well?

I don't follow the fantasy game during the games. I check it for the first time sometime after the later afternoon games are over. I occasionally have vague awareness obviously that a player of mine scored or whatever.

Man, like 40% of the fun of fantasy is the in-game sweat imo

In-game sweats lead to the corruption of the NFL-watching experience. That's why the whole fantasy football thing is fatally flawed.