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I agree with a lot of this in theory and that the idea of friend zone is thrown around WAY too liberally. However, there are tons of female friends that I have where I would have absolutely no chance of getting them to like me if I somehow liked them. Now this is fine, because I would never like them like that. But that said it is something that is exists.
This is not to suggest, though, that every female you are good friends with you have no shot with.
You say you have on chance of getting them to like you... would that still be the case if you didn't see them for 6 months, and came back as the same guy but ripped, better dressed, and wealthier? If the answer is no, you aren't 'friend zoned', they just aren't attracted to you (not targeting you, im talking in theory).
I had made passes at two of my best girl mates at uni, both shot me down (wasnt awkward at all, didn't affect our friendship or anything). Obviously sample size is small, but I was completely 'friend zoned' by both of them, in fact both of them said 'no, we cant, I value you too much as a friend blah blah blah'. Since then i've become more 'attractive' (in terms of the examples mentioned above) and have hooked up with both of them in the last year.
Meh this above stuff reads poorly but im too hungover to fix it. Basically I agree with Karak that 'friend zone' just means they arent attracted to you.
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This is probably the most frequent situation in which "friend zone" is used. And you are majorly understating how difficult it is to recover from it, because in most situations, you really can't - at least, not without spending more time and effort on the situation than anyone ITT would ever advise a guy to do for one girl.
IMO you dont have to put this effort into one girl. Becoming more attractive (not just physically but as a whole package) generally may be enough in a lot of cases. Both of these girls kissed me when we were out drinking, I hadn't put any effort in terms of them specifically. Not meant to be a brag post at all, just providing examples.
While I think it is possible to have girl mates that nothing could ever happen with, I think that is more of a mutual thing. I think the situations where an extremely 'high value' guy is attracted to his female friend and she says no, we are just friends, would be very rare.