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05-26-2026 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
These are fun, people make HUUUUGE strategy mistakes in them, but the rake is high. Structures are pretty fast obviously.
Like what sort of mistakes? I think I probably did that. I imagine you need to be a lot more aggressive? Instead of being able to survive with 2 big blinds left, you need to end with a ton of chips. Luck seems even more important than before. Today, I had no big pairs or Broadways pre.

I had one hand where I flopped an oesd. I called his 1/3 pot-sized bet, but he bet 70% on the turn, so I didn't have odds to call. Maybe I should have shoved the flop? I'm pretty sure he would have called, but it looks like playing everything straight wrt pot odds is a path to bleeding out anyway.
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05-27-2026 , 04:54 AM
I was considering the $70 Landmark just to donk around. Most things went smoothly with verification etc. Just have the app ready, and have ID/Caesars reward card. 2% on all credit cards but they seem to move you faster through the line if you are using credit card verification or you are loading a tourney account for $2500+. Obv Diamond/7Star have a separate line.
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05-27-2026 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Like what sort of mistakes? I think I probably did that. I imagine you need to be a lot more aggressive? Instead of being able to survive with 2 big blinds left, you need to end with a ton of chips. Luck seems even more important than before. Today, I had no big pairs or Broadways pre.

I had one hand where I flopped an oesd. I called his 1/3 pot-sized bet, but he bet 70% on the turn, so I didn't have odds to call. Maybe I should have shoved the flop? I'm pretty sure he would have called, but it looks like playing everything straight wrt pot odds is a path to bleeding out anyway.
-playing for chip ev instead of survival
-taking unnecessary risks as medium stacks, like calling all ins they should never call, punting off seats they were on pace to win.
-calling shoves way too wide
-big stack on big stack violence
-short stacks waiting too long to shove and just blinding out
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05-27-2026 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Like what sort of mistakes? I think I probably did that. I imagine you need to be a lot more aggressive? Instead of being able to survive with 2 big blinds left, you need to end with a ton of chips. Luck seems even more important than before. Today, I had no big pairs or Broadways pre.

I had one hand where I flopped an oesd. I called his 1/3 pot-sized bet, but he bet 70% on the turn, so I didn't have odds to call. Maybe I should have shoved the flop? I'm pretty sure he would have called, but it looks like playing everything straight wrt pot odds is a path to bleeding out anyway.
Like rubix said, people got bailed out a little bit with the Landmark structure, so they can't punt truly massive stacks. But they still call off very healthy stacks way too light.

Another thing the Landmark introduces is that chips above the Landmark are totally useless, so you shouldn't factor them into your equity. Say you're playing one of them with 10k starting stacks and 100k chips wins the prize.

You go 4 to the flop with a 70k stack and 20k in the middle, and you have AKhh. Flop is QhJh5s. Three players in front of you go all in for 70k each. In a normal tourney, obv easiest call ever. But here you are risking 70k to win 30k, since winning a 300k pot is meaningless to you.

Similar situations happen pre, where people will get in coinflips all in with 75-80% stacks. I also saw a dude minraise pre when stealing the blinds would have given him the Landmark.

On the flipside, you don't have to go totally bonkers on accumulation. You can't win if you bust. Also the last few seats go to the surviving players, who don't actually make the Landmark, b/c there aren't enough chips for only people who make the Landmark to get seats, so there is survival benefit, just less than in a traditional satty.
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05-27-2026 , 03:18 PM
It doesn't even have to be your actions, other players just making awful decisions directly help you and you get benefit from their stupidity.

Somewhat deep in one of these, if a guy with a 90% stack jams and a player with an 80% stack for example should literally fold everything, even KK or AA, they are so close its not worth it to risk elimination even though its minimal.

If you are chilling with a 50% stack or whatever and the 80% stack decides to call the 90% stack's shove, regardless of who wins you benefit from their mistakes.

A lot of people just play these things like a normal MTT which makes for an interesting dynamic as you have a field playing the same tournament using completely different strategies.


People tilt off too, I have seen big stacks get impatient, they get close and just want to end the thing so these guys just start jamming every hand, resulting in lots of folding, which also benefits you. Then you get a guy with a medium or other large stack that decides, you can't push us around like that and decide to stand up against the bully and make a terrible call of a shove.

Ok, back to regular scheduled programming. Do some googling there is a lot of content out there on proper satellite strat.
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05-27-2026 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rubixxcube
It doesn't even have to be your actions, other players just making awful decisions directly help you and you get benefit from their stupidity.

Somewhat deep in one of these, if a guy with a 90% stack jams and a player with an 80% stack for example should literally fold everything, even KK or AA, they are so close its not worth it to risk elimination even though its minimal.

If you are chilling with a 50% stack or whatever and the 80% stack decides to call the 90% stack's shove, regardless of who wins you benefit from their mistakes.

A lot of people just play these things like a normal MTT which makes for an interesting dynamic as you have a field playing the same tournament using completely different strategies.


People tilt off too, I have seen big stacks get impatient, they get close and just want to end the thing so these guys just start jamming every hand, resulting in lots of folding, which also benefits you. Then you get a guy with a medium or other large stack that decides, you can't push us around like that and decide to stand up against the bully and make a terrible call of a shove.

Ok, back to regular scheduled programming. Do some googling there is a lot of content out there on proper satellite strat.
I'm reasonably well-versed on proper satellite strat, I played a ton of them at WSOPs.

The number one factor in these is rungood. If you leave it in your room, you aren't getting very far. At some point, you have to do some shoving, and if you can't win your flips, the best strat in the world won't help you. I think I left mine in AZ. I hope my second trip works out better than the first.
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05-28-2026 , 01:35 AM
They cancelled the late DDS today, I wonder what % of buy-ins are being lost in the lower buy in dailies due to having to use the app. Its obvious that the bracelet events aren’t taking as much of a hit but joe blow walking up and buying into $200 dds days are gone….
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05-28-2026 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hell2Heaven
They cancelled the late DDS today, I wonder what % of buy-ins are being lost in the lower buy in dailies due to having to use the app. Its obvious that the bracelet events aren't taking as much of a hit but joe blow walking up and buying into $200 dds days are gone..
Did they canceled because not enough players !!
If so that's bad news.
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05-28-2026 , 10:11 AM
Overall numbers for the first few days of DDS (available on the app!) seem way down. On the bright side, the Landmark Satellites are running 3-4 hours, so a way to dive into a little event without committing to 9+ hours to get to the same money point.
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05-28-2026 , 11:43 AM
My guess is that since the new mystery bounty is $500 instead of 1k, that more people are playing that and less playing the DDS. I think DDS numbers in general trend down when there are lower buy in NL bracelet events on the same day.

As an example, i would think the DDS on 6/9 will have higher numbers.
Day before colossus starts.
And here are the only bracelet events going on
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05-28-2026 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hell2Heaven
They cancelled the late DDS today, I wonder what % of buy-ins are being lost in the lower buy in dailies due to having to use the app. Its obvious that the bracelet events aren’t taking as much of a hit but joe blow walking up and buying into $200 dds days are gone….
Good point! A guy that's just walking by doesn't want to deal with all the WSOP BS of getting verified, he just wants to "take my money" and play. Especially if he's way over in the back 40 of Horseshoe (where they hold the DDS and satellites) and he's told he's got to go way over to Paris to register. Truth is, nobody is just going to be "walking by" like they used to at Rio, because that area is basically in the dungeon of Horseshoe.
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05-28-2026 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rubixxcube
My guess is that since the new mystery bounty is $500 instead of 1k, that more people are playing that and less playing the DDS. I think DDS numbers in general trend down when there are lower buy in NL bracelet events on the same day.

As an example, i would think the DDS on 6/9 will have higher numbers.
Day before colossus starts.
And here are the only bracelet events going on
Yeah historically I've noticed DDS numbers are highest the weeks the big $1500s run, and way down on weeks the marquee event is $300-$500. They have always been low attendance the first and last week of the series. The $200 DDS is probably the least popular and most likely to not make during times of low attendance.

Players can still buy in with cash and they aren't going to be sent all the way to Paris to be verified. If they are paying with cash, there is no CC to verify, so all they need is an ID. If the players refuses to download the app, they are given a slip of paper to take to the table. I saw it a couple times last year. There is no way they would make the buy in process more painful than that. It's not a factor imo.
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05-28-2026 , 07:37 PM
The DDS's and satellites are now taking place in the Horseshoe events center (BIG room) instead of those semi small meeting rooms up the escalator. This is great news for those who hated the crammed together tables in those rooms. I like the way they've rearranged all the main rooms.
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05-28-2026 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ShelbyCobra9
The DDS's and satellites are now taking place in the Horseshoe events center (BIG room) instead of those semi small meeting rooms up the escalator. This is great news for those who hated the crammed together tables in those rooms. I like the way they've rearranged all the main rooms.
It's bad news for players in large field bracelet tournaments though, as you're now more likely to find yourself in one of those cramped upstairs rooms. I hate those rooms, and the first year they started using them it was easy to just not play the DDS and not have to be there.
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05-30-2026 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by knivesout
Yeah historically I've noticed DDS numbers are highest the weeks the big $1500s run, and way down on weeks the marquee event is $300-$500. They have always been low attendance the first and last week of the series. The $200 DDS is probably the least popular and most likely to not make during times of low attendance.

Players can still buy in with cash and they aren't going to be sent all the way to Paris to be verified. If they are paying with cash, there is no CC to verify, so all they need is an ID. If the players refuses to download the app, they are given a slip of paper to take to the table. I saw it a couple times last year. There is no way they would make the buy in process more painful than that. It's not a factor imo.
How are the DDS numbers so far?
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05-30-2026 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
How are the DDS numbers so far?
I played the seniors event yesterday. About 180 buy ins, which is above average. No info on the regular DDSs
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05-30-2026 , 12:11 PM
If you go into the app and use the below filter you will see mostly just the DDS.
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05-31-2026 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
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Originally Posted by knivesout
Yeah historically I've noticed DDS numbers are highest the weeks the big $1500s run, and way down on weeks the marquee event is $300-$500. They have always been low attendance the first and last week of the series. The $200 DDS is probably the least popular and most likely to not make during times of low attendance.

Players can still buy in with cash and they aren't going to be sent all the way to Paris to be verified. If they are paying with cash, there is no CC to verify, so all they need is an ID. If the players refuses to download the app, they are given a slip of paper to take to the table. I saw it a couple times last year. There is no way they would make the buy in process more painful than that. It's not a factor imo.
How are the DDS numbers so far
Friday 1PM DDS had 881, Saturday had 767. Played in both...knocked out right before the money 2X. Those are pretty good numbers for the 1st week. Not sure about the DDS later in the day #'s.
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06-01-2026 , 01:14 PM
1pm deepstack is taking 14-15 hours, 4pm and 8pm deepstacks 8-9 hours.

The 1pm couple of days ago last 15h 36m, with the longest break being 30 minutes

I might be in the minority, but I would be more likely to play the 1pm if it stopped at final table and finished the next day. I estimate it would cut out about 2 hours from day 1
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06-01-2026 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mastahead
1pm deepstack is taking 14-15 hours, 4pm and 8pm deepstacks 8-9 hours.

The 1pm couple of days ago last 15h 36m, with the longest break being 30 minutes

I might be in the minority, but I would be more likely to play the 1pm if it stopped at final table and finished the next day. I estimate it would cut out about 2 hours from day 1
Stopping at like 3 tables seems ideal to me. Money becomes worth it to fill up a 2nd day, and it'll only take 3-4 hours with how large the blinds become.

Playing more than 12 hours with no real break is brutal. Young or old.

I saw today got $1, 536. Thats quite a lot for this early in the series imo. Lots of mystery bounty players id guess
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Yesterday , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by VincentVega
Stopping at like 3 tables seems ideal to me. Money becomes worth it to fill up a 2nd day, and it'll only take 3-4 hours with how large the blinds become.

Playing more than 12 hours with no real break is brutal. Young or old.

I saw today got $1, 536. Thats quite a lot for this early in the series imo. Lots of mystery bounty players id guess
Meh, I'm old as dirt and I lived. Never won one but ft'ed a couple times back when I used to play them. They do wreck the next day though, so playing one and then a bracelet event the next day is not recommended.

The TD does have the option of stopping and continuing the next day. They used to not have that option.

Nice to see the better fields though, they had gotten sucky for a few years.
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