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06-23-2014 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by QualityStreet
Oh, there'll be meaningful pots in the first level. At least 2 people at your table will be aggros from LA, who'll be raising to 10 big blinds with their 'scary' JJ hands -- punish them!

Anyone else expecting 1st place to pay > $1m?
If they get over 4630 players !!

Looks like it will!!

The 1st prize will be over 1million !!
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06-23-2014 , 05:55 PM
I don't think they would go too overboard with this format.

If we took the extreme scenario that every 1k/1.5k was a monster deep stack, it would hurt their 4pm tournaments a small amount (while those are generally mixed games, there is a subset of people who are willing to play both in a given day).
- It would hurt events the following day as more people would be tied up by making day 2 since deeper stacks/same levels will allow many to survive longer than they would will shallower starting stacks.
- I don't know this for a fact, but I assume a substantial amount of players who bust the bracelet events early hop into the daily deepstacks.

From the business side of things, Caesars wants players entering as many tournaments as possible (so we can be charged rake as many times as possible) especially those high rake deepstacks. They will throw something like this as a one off event to get everyone in town, but it wouldn't be smart for them to do it constantly. (I feel this is why this event was placed so far from the million maker... Draw back in a bunch of people as things slow down)

Just my 2 cents
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06-23-2014 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DrSwaggerWagon
From Jack Effel's twitter:
"...Brasilia room is already full"

This is in regards to early registration. So Brasilia holds 1500-2000 people?
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Brasilia has fewer than 100 tables. This tournament will start with 10-handed tables.
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06-23-2014 , 06:38 PM
I just reg'd an hour ago. Lucky number 1132. There will be ten handed tables... I start in the pavilion in the 9 hole.
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06-23-2014 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Heh, you'd burn half a level just table-breaking from there and making it back to Pavillion/Amazon/Brasilia lol.
Yeah, the people that got stuck out there a couple three years ago were not happy about it.

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Originally Posted by akashenk
My reply to doublejoker was simply pointing out that, once again, he said something that is demonstrably untrue.

As for your comments, I tend to agree that the 25/25 level isn't particularly useful. However, I do know from personal and anecdotal experience that there are lots of people who look at this as a good thing and are more excited about it than they probably should be. There's just something psychologically satisfying for some people to know that they are starting the tournament with 600 BB. I think it may be a residual effect of the popularity of the Harrington book series where M and BB count are so important to strategy.

In any case, I continue to be curious to see what this tourney will be like. Most pros and every wannabe pro I have talked to has marked this tournament as must-play, for obvious reasons. And I suspect a lot of amateurs and recreational players will also find it very appealing given the increased chips. It will be interesting to see if those things make up for the Thursday start and lead to a record crowd. I suspect they might.

If it is a big success, I hope the WSOP folks don't go overboard and start having lots of these (like every week, or whatever). There seems to be this inclination on the part of TDs that if something is a success, then more of it is always good. I don't necessarily think that's true.
T15k sounds like a ton of chips, but it isn't really. I saw lots of people blow through most of their stacks in the first two levels of a daily deepstack, and I blew through about T4k myself. The structures aren't exactly the same, but close enough.
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06-24-2014 , 05:38 PM
Anyone staying downtown? Im flying in and using el cheapo method of transport by city bus. Would love to catch a ride to the rio morning day 1 if any yall got room...
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06-24-2014 , 08:14 PM
This is my convo with Ty Stewart via Twitter today.

Me: "@wsopSUITd should I be worried about not getting into the Monster Stack if I am signing up the night before? Will you turn players away?"

Ty: "We haven't turned anyone away since it's a foundation of our beliefs "anyone can enter/win" but Signing up Wed good idea."
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06-24-2014 , 08:21 PM
There is ZERO chance of ever being turned away if registering the day before (or earlier) a tourney starts, unless it is specifically stated there is a cap on entries of course.
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06-24-2014 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFink
So in this thread, Vicious Vinny spews all sorts of utter nonsense, challenges people to a bet, and then disappears? Did anyone bet him?

This tournament will be absolutely massive. Wouldn't be surprised if it goes over 5000 players (not saying it will, just saying I think it's very possible). Pretty much everyone I've talked to is playing this event even if it's their only event of the summer.
Somehow bigger stacks with the same blind levels mean shorter stacks? Wat?
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06-24-2014 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
Somehow bigger stacks with the same blind levels mean shorter stacks? Wat?
You have to read matt savage's article on page 2 to understand the concept, what tends to happen is the rate of people busting is clustered closer now to the middle and later stages of a tournament. in addition, lots more players will survive with short stacks making it possible the tournament will be less deep at the end.

its not really as applicable in this case because they offer a great structure and many starting chips.

its more applicable in say a tournament with 25K starting chips and 30 min levels versus a WSOP event with 4500 starting chips and 60 min levels. very few people will bust early in the 25k starting chip event but with the short levels the bustout rates are rapid right around the bubble and their is little bubble play.

at the wsop events bustout rates are more consistent and there is actual bubble play because of the long levels and shorter starting chips.

so sometimes less chips can be better. personally i like the 4500 chips and the ability to play very meaningful pots early or bluff someone in a meaningful pot early. much tougher to do in a 25k chip type event (or a 15k 25 25 event - still possible but less likely)

there is some merit in being able to bust in level 1 just playing normal poker.

i think more people will appreciate the less chips phenomenon eventually.

right now, most people go with more chips is better so its not a bad thing that places like borgata give them what they want.

this is also a really good tournament and a great structure. just pointing out the counter arguments for how less chips can actually be better.
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06-24-2014 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyAggassi
so sometimes less chips can be better. personally i like the 4500 chips and the ability to play very meaningful pots early or bluff someone in a meaningful pot early. much tougher to do in a 25k chip type event (or a 15k 25 25 event - still possible but less likely)
I'd rather felt a fish for 600BB when he overvalues his hand.
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06-24-2014 , 09:43 PM
1768 @ 6:40PM
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06-24-2014 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
I'd rather felt a fish for 600BB when he overvalues his hand.
harder to do than it sounds. ya its easy in the 200 deepstack when you can put it in with an overpair not so much in this. if not alot of people play hands you are just wasting your time at meaningless levels just saying.

like honestly, fish are not half as bad as they used to be which is why i think the super deep levels are a waste. its more likely these days the fish overplays his hand but slows down on the river and you win 1500 chips or so which won't mean much in 4 hrs.

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06-24-2014 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyAggassi
harder to do than it sounds. ya its easy in the 200 deepstack when you can put it in with an overpair not so much in this. if not alot of people play hands you are just wasting your time at meaningless levels just saying.

like honestly, fish are not half as bad as they used to be which is why i think the super deep levels are a waste. its more likely these days the fish overplays his hand but slows down on the river and you win 1500 chips or so which won't mean much in 4 hrs.
Jimmy all I can say is you must be drawing bad tables, because my experience has always been there are more than a couple donks willing to stuff it in the early levels. If not for their whole stack at least a good chunk of it. You think some weekend donk is laying down AA when it comes Q72 rainbow, and you have a set?

And the truth is, you better get busy in the early levels and try to stack some people, because the last level of Day 1, I believe the BB is 1,000.
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06-24-2014 , 11:18 PM
So are they going to bring back the hot sweaty poker tent from a few years back?
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06-25-2014 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Jimmy all I can say is you must be drawing bad tables, because my experience has always been there are more than a couple donks willing to stuff it in the early levels. If not for their whole stack at least a good chunk of it. You think some weekend donk is laying down AA when it comes Q72 rainbow, and you have a set?

And the truth is, you better get busy in the early levels and try to stack some people, because the last level of Day 1, I believe the BB is 1,000.
Haha if you lay down aces on the flop with that board, I would absolutely put the hammer down on you.
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06-25-2014 , 01:51 AM
grunching but I'm assuming the line problems will be considerably worse than previous huge millionaire maker type events due to the USA/Germany match that should end around 11 or so

make sure you pre-reg kids
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06-25-2014 , 02:04 AM
I really hope Effel expands the "low buyin" monster stack bracelet events for next year. Maybe a Monster Stack tourney could be offered every Thursday, so like 4 or 5 of them, 1 per week.

Register early folks.
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06-25-2014 , 03:36 AM
Sounds unlikely unless they really increase the juice. More chips means more dealers for more hours.
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06-25-2014 , 06:33 AM
How long did the millionaire maker take to complete? They only planned to have this tournament take 4 days and the max level they have itemized is 50K/100K.
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06-25-2014 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Sounds unlikely unless they really increase the juice. More chips means more dealers for more hours.
True, but think about all the masses that, after busting, would be around for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday events. Perhaps a loss leader if you will, though I'm sure WSOP is still making some coin off the monster stack.

Also, this will play faster than people think. Compare the last level of Day 1 of Main Event blinds of 50/200/400 to Event #51's last level of Day 1 of 100/500/1000. So while you start off with 600 blinds, you better get busy because last level Day 1 you'd only have 15 big blinds if you remained at par.
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06-25-2014 , 11:11 AM
Think I am going to end up playing this tomorrow as well.
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06-25-2014 , 11:14 AM
Regd last night during the 1st break if e 235 ds and there was no queue.

Talk at the tables was it being closer to 6,000 than 4,000
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06-25-2014 , 11:30 AM
Has anyone know how long the late reg will last?
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06-25-2014 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by benislovas
Has anyone know how long the late reg will last?
8:10pm
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