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06-09-2010 , 04:15 AM
Next time someone is at the V, ask why a player got disqualified at the Final Table of Event 8. I went out 16th in that event, and I'm curious.
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06-09-2010 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jfletcher
Next time someone is at the V, ask why a player got disqualified at the Final Table of Event 8. I went out 16th in that event, and I'm curious.
I'll try to remember to ask tomorrow as the $560 restart will be run by the same floorman.
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06-09-2010 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerFink
*giggle*
I know, I know, I am actually laughing about it now too. No real defense on my part just a mistake.
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06-09-2010 , 09:45 AM
Does anyone know how many people are expected for the $1500?
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06-09-2010 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jfletcher
Next time someone is at the V, ask why a player got disqualified at the Final Table of Event 8. I went out 16th in that event, and I'm curious.
I heard this story while I was out there. The guy who got disqualified let his brother use his card to to reregister for a tourney he had been knocked out of. This was like a year prior and they somehow found out and put him on the red flag list. He got in the money and had a big stack and they pulled him aside and told him to hit the road.
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06-09-2010 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by J_early
I heard this story while I was out there. The guy who got disqualified let his brother use his card to to reregister for a tourney he had been knocked out of. This was like a year prior and they somehow found out and put him on the red flag list. He got in the money and had a big stack and they pulled him aside and told him to hit the road.

A year later? Seems a wee bit harsh. Especialy after letting him cull through 96 % of the field.
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06-09-2010 , 02:45 PM
seems like poetic justice.

cheaters deserve nothing good
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06-09-2010 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by joansing
A year later? Seems a wee bit harsh. Especialy after letting him cull through 96 % of the field.
+1. If that explanation is 100% accurate I don't like how the Venetian handled it. The fact that it's a year later doesn't really matter imo, it's that he's already on the final table.

Don't let him register in the first place or kick him out and refund his money early on. Otherwise let him play and ban him afterwards.

Plus it's not like what they did was really that bad anyway.
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06-09-2010 , 05:24 PM
gl today spoonfox
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06-09-2010 , 06:21 PM
It begs the question of what happened to the $6809 he was supposed to get for 7th.

http://www.venetian.com/uploadedFile...nt8_060310.pdf

I wonder if they made this decision after he busted in 7th, or if they just took him out when there were seven players left.

They shouldn't have let him play in the first place if he was on some sort of black list.
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06-09-2010 , 10:50 PM
6th in the PLO cause i pick the wrong time to 3 barrel bluff
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06-09-2010 , 11:05 PM
Lol. Not bad though. How much that pay? At least u didn't get like 250th like me :-(
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06-09-2010 , 11:13 PM
5800. Entered the day 4/27 with 220k. hovered between 2 and 300k the whole day. Never was in a big pot today until the last hand when I had top 2 on the turn and a flush draw, river put out another flush and a 4 straight. I had already put in 3/4 of my stack and couldn't check and leave myself 45k, so I just pushed it in pretty much knowing I was beat. Guy made the other flush. Guess i should have check and folded if he bet i hate doing that with 400k in the pot.
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06-10-2010 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerFink
Getting value out of AA instead of over raising would be a good place to start.

Getting value from hands often means taking on more variance, but in the vast majority of tournament situations it's both +cEV and +$EV to do so. When you have <50BB, AA is just such a ridiculously powerful hand that you have to give your opponents the chance to make second best and make a mistake. Yes, sometimes you will go broke doing so. Oh well. Most of the time you won't. And the times you finish 5th because of that value more than make up for the times you finish 17th instead of 10th because you went busto with AA.

17th place in a ~600 player tournament is pretty much worthless if you're trying to get anywhere as a poker player. It's nice to cash and pocket a little bit of money, but you're never going to grow your bankroll with small cashes.

Edit to add: Perhaps my language is a little harsh there; I'm not trying to belittle finishing 17th. It's a good result. But when I see "I'd rather win it right there with AA than go to battle" and "I have to figure out how to improve on a 17th place finish" in the same paragraph... well...
And...there you go to prove my point on why I don't bother posting much on 2+2....much love PokerFink. I wasn't asking for advice when I said "I want to figure out how to improve", but thanks for being so sure you know about my bankroll, life, poker play, how I would play aces, etc. You must be quite a big player and if I ever decide to pursue a poker coach formally, perhaps I will email you.. but next time I want to hear someone belittle my results in tournaments, I will just send you an note directly and be done with it.

I know $25,000 in tourney cashes isn't much...but I am not a pro, nor do I plan on being one...if I was, I would be one BROKE WOMAN! Fortunately, I have a successful career and play the game (mostly cash games) for fun, and profit.

Forgive my defense....but I thought I was just telling someone I played a tourney with that we all make mistakes, but apparently even that opens someone up for insults....fun and games, fun and games.
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06-10-2010 , 02:47 AM
Went down in flames in my day 2. 31st or something sick like that after coming into the day 5th in chips. Oh well.

I did remember to ask about the guy being DQ'ed, though. Apparently the guy was already 86'ed from the property, and he didn't buy in to the tournament under his own name. When they made the final table, he asked the floor if he'd need ID to win, and told the floor he didn't have one. They figured out that he was 86'ed, and they sent him on his way. There's so many places to play in town, why would you even try that? Good question on what happened to the prize money, though.

Also, I chatted with the staff about the horrible way they do breaks. A color up after level 8, then a break after level 9, then dinner after level 10... it's a little ridiculous. I recommended making the color up after level 8 a break, and then skip the break after level 9, which gets you to dinner (and ends the day) 15 minutes earlier. They said they'd try to get that instituted within the next week.

I also recommended they post the end of day 1 results on the 2+2 Tournament Results board so that players can research their tablemates before playing day 2, and they were very receptive to that as well. So that's good news.
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06-10-2010 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielleRB
And...there you go to prove my point on why I don't bother posting much on 2+2....much love PokerFink. I wasn't asking for advice when I said "I want to figure out how to improve", but thanks for being so sure you know about my bankroll, life, poker play, how I would play aces, etc. You must be quite a big player and if I ever decide to pursue a poker coach formally, perhaps I will email you.. but next time I want to hear someone belittle my results in tournaments, I will just send you an note directly and be done with it.

I know $25,000 in tourney cashes isn't much...but I am not a pro, nor do I plan on being one...if I was, I would be one BROKE WOMAN! Fortunately, I have a successful career and play the game (mostly cash games) for fun, and profit.

Forgive my defense....but I thought I was just telling someone I played a tourney with that we all make mistakes, but apparently even that opens someone up for insults....fun and games, fun and games.
Woah. Relax. I didn't belittle or insult you at all, in fact I even added an edit to make sure that my post wasn't interpreted the wrong way.

Best of luck figuring out how to improve upon your results while shutting out any advice from more seasoned players on 2+2 who are willing to help you for free.
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06-10-2010 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by veeRob
I did remember to ask about the guy being DQ'ed, though. Apparently the guy was already 86'ed from the property, and he didn't buy in to the tournament under his own name. When they made the final table, he asked the floor if he'd need ID to win, and told the floor he didn't have one. They figured out that he was 86'ed, and they sent him on his way. There's so many places to play in town, why would you even try that? Good question on what happened to the prize money, though.
Woah. F*** that guy. The Venetian handled it properly.

I'm guessing that everyone who finished below that guy got moved up one spot in the payscale. I think that's standard operating procedure for tournament DQs.

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Also, I chatted with the staff about the horrible way they do breaks. A color up after level 8, then a break after level 9, then dinner after level 10... it's a little ridiculous. I recommended making the color up after level 8 a break, and then skip the break after level 9, which gets you to dinner (and ends the day) 15 minutes earlier. They said they'd try to get that instituted within the next week.

I also recommended they post the end of day 1 results on the 2+2 Tournament Results board so that players can research their tablemates before playing day 2, and they were very receptive to that as well. So that's good news.
Good suggestions.
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06-10-2010 , 07:51 AM
I don't post much, but I shipped the PLO today.

Got to take advantage of the few chances I get to brag.
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06-10-2010 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFink
I'm guessing that everyone who finished below that guy got moved up one spot in the payscale. I think that's standard operating procedure for tournament DQs.
Well, I'll be waiting for my extra $700 then, since I finished 16th for $1977 and 15th paid $2600ish.

Seriously, this isn't going to happen, I assume. I figure the Venetian
a) gave the guy his money and then kicked him out of the tourney before he could win more
b) gave it to him after he busted and told him not to come back, or
c) kept it.
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06-10-2010 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jfletcher
Well, I'll be waiting for my extra $700 then, since I finished 16th for $1977 and 15th paid $2600ish.

Seriously, this isn't going to happen, I assume. I figure the Venetian
a) gave the guy his money and then kicked him out of the tourney before he could win more
b) gave it to him after he busted and told him not to come back, or
c) kept it.
So, just for the hell of it, I just called the Venetian, and they told me that the changes were only for the players that were left. Seems sketchy to me. I still think one of the above is what happened, probably c.
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06-10-2010 , 12:29 PM
I'd be shocked if it was c. That money is part of the prize pool.

Nice job fargo.
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06-10-2010 , 01:40 PM
Just wanted to give props to the venetian for running a great tournament and room. Much better than the ones in the midwest. I finished 7th in tuesdays 540, props to everyone @ final table. Had a great time.
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06-10-2010 , 01:51 PM
dcarp:

Please abandon your policy of forcing players to keep their biggest chips on the top of their stack or in a separate stack. No other major tournament series does this. Most people stack their chips from biggest on bottom to smallest on top, and for good reason -- they don't want to accidentally grab a big chip. And having one or two big chips in a separate pile makes them much easier to steal.

Every player I've ever spoken to while playing at the Venetian regarding this issue agrees with me.
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06-10-2010 , 01:51 PM
Hey, Fargo ND, nice work in the PLO. I live in Minot and me and a couple of buddies are coming down on Monday. You staying that long? Always nice to meet successful poker players from up here... well, almost always, unless the have super egos. Anyways, Congrats!
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06-10-2010 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
dcarp:

Please abandon your policy of forcing players to keep their biggest chips on the top of their stack or in a separate stack. No other major tournament series does this. Most people stack their chips from biggest on bottom to smallest on top, and for good reason -- they don't want to accidentally grab a big chip. And having one or two big chips in a separate pile makes them much easier to steal.

Every player I've ever spoken to while playing at the Venetian regarding this issue agrees with me.
+1

This is annoying. I have on a couple of occasions accidentally thrown in the 5k chip thinking it was a 500. I think I'll ask for the dealer to break it down to 5 1k chips next time if they keep this rule in place.
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