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05-21-2024 , 02:04 PM
In Cold Blood is a great film, John.


lol G. Esposito recreating his famous scene from Do the Right Thing...

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05-21-2024 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
genuinely curious what do you think makes it important?



if you think I'm offended you don't know me very well it's pretty hard to actually offend me I just think it's laughable when ppl try to make these movies to be anything other than fantasy porn.
if ppl just described the films like you did and said all they wanted them for was to be shocked/grossed out etc then I'd say sounds good enjoy but I have read so much absolute nonsense from academics and movie critics trying to make them into super important films almost to the point where oh my god it pained the filmmakers so much to have to make such a film but it was just sooooooooooooooo important it had to be done so they made the ultimate sacrifice blah blah blah just ludicrous.

thing is they never come close to explaining why they're so important and I really would love to know.

I have never once suggested it should be illegal to make them or they should be banned.
and no offense but not gonna lie if you watch salo and actually enjoy it and would gladly watch it again I'm gonna be very shocked if there isn't something wrong with your brain.
See the last paragraph again does intimate on some level you're offended and are again engaging in moral posturing.I don't think it's a good faith argument, it's kinda like saying you're racist if you think OJ did it or Ebert going the moral route when complaining about films he didn't like. You don't like it or appreciate it on some level, so anyone who does has something wrong with their brain. I mean absolutely fair enough if it's not for you, but again essentially disparaging others who may differ isn't a good faith argument. That said I've read your posts before and overall respect your opinion on film so we leave it at that.
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05-21-2024 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
In Cold Blood is a great film, John.


lol G. Esposito recreating his famous scene from Do the Right Thing...

I was delighted Breaking Bad got him more known I thought he was amazing in Do the Right Thing and he always had a lot of range, I really liked him in Bob Roberts and The Usual Suspects too and I'm a big fan of King of New York as a movie although he only has a minor role in that one.
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05-21-2024 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
See the last paragraph again does intimate on some level you're offended and are again engaging in moral posturing.I don't think it's a good faith argument, it's kinda like saying you're racist if you think OJ did it or Ebert going the moral route when complaining about films he didn't like. You don't like it or appreciate it on some level, so anyone who does has something wrong with their brain. I mean absolutely fair enough if it's not for you, but again essentially disparaging others who may differ isn't a good faith argument. That said I've read your posts before and overall respect your opinion on film so we leave it at that.
ya I probably went a little hyperbolic because I also have always enjoyed and respected your posts so I guess there is at least one person who enjoyed it and may not have anything wrong with their brain.

I would be very curious tho if we posted the wiki description of salo what the general reaction would be.

oh and fwiw the sex stuff was by far the least disturbing parts of the film imo.

oh also it's ironic as I recently found myself defending chuck berry and his love of eating fresh defecation so not sure why I get like this about the films.

I honestly think I just got so tilted reading pretentious blowhards talking about how deep and important the marquis de sade was and then doing the same with salo.

I never had a problem with gross out horror stuff before I just choose not to watch them but had 0 issues with ppl making them or other ppl watching them.

just something about watching nonstop rape and **** eating and then saying it's a super important and deep examination of society blah blah blah got me all riled up and I really don't know why.

if a buddy said they watched it and enjoyed it I would probably make fun of them for their horrible taste but in a friendly joking way and not really ever think about it again so I probably went a bit overboard generalizing the entire audience due to my annoyance of the critical community.

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Yesterday , 12:22 AM
I've seen Salo in a theater, and I estimate that 90% of the audience left during the film. I had seen a number of Pasolini's films, and I think that he thought the film was important.

Did I "like" it? No. Can I find meaning in the film on some level? Yes. I can only compare what I see throughout the film and what I see at the end, the way the horror of the film hits us in the face throughout compared to the way we see from a distance at the end.

So how can we read the film? I'm not sure, and I would need to see it again, but I don't want to. Perhaps Salo is about being a spectator. I don't know.

But I do think Pasolini was a serious filmmaker.

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Yesterday , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Watched Atonement last night. I was there for the first half, but they completely lost me in the second half. I was confused about what was going on in the Dunkirk scene and it went way too long. The going back and forth in time didn't work for me at all. The ending/reveal was maddening.



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Oh, never mind - didn't really happen. AARRGGGHHH!!!






Was she looking for some sort of absolution? Ugh.
Atonement is one of the most faithful adaptations of a book I've seen as it has the same strengths and flaws. The transition to Dunkirk in the book is both jarring and the weakest part of the novel. Ian McEwan apparently did a lot of research for this segment which somehow lead to a dull story.

In answer to your spoiler
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not entirely. Briony knows she can never make up for what she did and specifically does not grant herself absolution. She deliberately doesn't write a scene where Celia and Robbie forgive her. Her book is an act of penance and a way to give them the happy ending they never had. It's a very effective twist.
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Yesterday , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Phat Mack
I get this sinking feeling whenever I hear that a movie, or any work of art, is important. I've come to regard it as a "Nice try!" award, or a participation trophy. I like unimportant movies made by people who are really good at making movies. Consider this my "Get off my lawn!" post for today.
When I hear a film is "important" that's code to me for "no one is going to watch this".

If you want to talk "importance", I think you could argue that no film drove a decade plus of the film industry on anywhere near the magnitude that Iron Man did. Was it a cinematic masterpiece, no. Did it win any awards? no. Was it actually important in the sense that you cannot talk about the movie industry without acknowledging it? Yes.

On the flip side, I've never heard of the movie that was described as important here and based on the summary I read, god help us if this becomes anything other than an example of the type of movie we don't need.
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Yesterday , 08:53 AM
I don't exactly disagree, but by that metric Star Wars is far more important than Iron Man.
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Yesterday , 09:40 AM
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song is an important film.
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Yesterday , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rooksx
Atonement is one of the most faithful adaptations of a book I've seen as it has the same strengths and flaws. The transition to Dunkirk in the book is both jarring and the weakest part of the novel. Ian McEwan apparently did a lot of research for this segment which somehow lead to a dull story.

In answer to your spoiler
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not entirely. Briony knows she can never make up for what she did and specifically does not grant herself absolution. She deliberately doesn't write a scene where Celia and Robbie forgive her. Her book is an act of penance and a way to give them the happy ending they never had. It's a very effective twist.
Thanks for the feedback. I didn't know it was a book, but I probably should have.
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Yesterday , 10:09 AM
American Fiction A black writer rebels over writing "black". Meanwhile, his personal life has been turned upside down.

We really enjoyed this. I would label it "charming". Worth a watch.

Missouri Breaks A horse thief buys a ranch next to a rancher who hires a vigilante to track down....horse thiefs.

Nicholson and Brando! The story was fine and with Harry Dean Stanton and Randy Quaid, the acting was pretty good. Good movie, not great movie.

I need to rant a little about Brando. I feel like when he's good, he's really good, but damn, he can be bad too. I found him almost unwatchable in this one. Reminds me of Teahouse of the August Moon when he was supposed to be Japanese. Here he's supposed to be Irish but I just couldn't buy it. Maybe because he's Brando? I dunno. Just didn't work for me.

Nicholson, on the other hand, is always great to watch.
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Yesterday , 10:28 AM
My favorite films this year have been All of Us Strangers and Perfect Days. Of the past few years A Ghost Story, Personal Shopper, Toni Erdmann, Holy Motors, Tangerine, and Arrival, which brought me to tears. I can't get the image of the two ghosts talking to each other in A Ghost Story out of my head.

But I'm also awaiting the next Deadpool eagerly.

I think Keats said we can have both Robin Hood and Shakespeare, too.

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Yesterday , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
American Fiction A black writer rebels over writing "black". Meanwhile, his personal life has been turned upside down.

We really enjoyed this. I would label it "charming". Worth a watch.
I really enjoyed this quite a bit.
the plot was whatever nothing amazing but good enough but jeffrey wright and sterling k brown were absolutely fantastic just a joy to watch.

the whole cast was great but those 2 were just on another level.
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Today , 04:42 AM
I wonder if Sterling K Brown is capable of not being incredibly charasmatic.
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Today , 07:34 AM
I watched American Fiction last night. It was fantastic. I laughed out loud several times, which is extremely rare for me. I wish that more movies like this were made. Movies like this don't get made nearly as often as they used to.
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Today , 02:43 PM
If you're in Vegas, our art house movie theater - the Beverly - is screening Jan Svankmajer's Alice, All That Jazz, and Dr. Strangelove this weekend.

I might have to go see all three...never seen Alice, never seen Strangelove on the big screen, and haven't seen All That Jazz on the big screen since it was released.
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