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Start Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

Nicholas Meyer is truly the unsung hero of the Star Trek universe. He reinvigorated and kept alive the idea of Start Trek movies by helming II, and he wrote the Earth sections of IV. He caps it off with both writing and directing The Undiscovered Country - the best of all Star Trek films.

I agree 6 is easily the second best movie, but Khan basically relaunched the whole franchise - its the pivot in the ST universe.

Why Paramount didnt make an Excelsior tv series instead of the dreadful Enterprise after the set up in ST:6 is anyones guess.....

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10-24-2016 , 08:27 PM

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Enterprise was a great idea for a TV show. An Captain Sulu Excelsior show also would have been a great idea but if the team was the same as for Enterprise I doubt it would have been any better.

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10-26-2016 , 02:27 AM

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.... with the caveat that after Nimoy and Shatner, George Takei is arguably the biggest tos fan favorite. Plus, they had the option of putting Tuvok (another big fan fav) and Rand in the show, and thats a huge casting difference compared to the quantum leap guy and a cast of unknowns.

Plus, as aluded to earlier, the timeframe of ST:6 is just really interesting and important in Star Trek mythology.

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10-27-2016 , 04:18 AM

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Star Trek V has a mr plinkett commentary track that is hilarious, and makes it much easier to watch again. I liked STTMP more than most, it's very plodding but kind of a cool concept and actually captures the spirit of the tv show pretty well IMO. I've always ranked them

2 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5

All the TNG ones were awful and weird

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10-27-2016 , 05:19 AM

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3 and 4 are elite.

And First Contact is great.

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10-27-2016 , 09:27 AM

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3 and 4 are elite.

And First Contact is great.

The Patrick Stewart - Alfre Woodard scenes alone set First Contact above the rest

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10-27-2016 , 09:51 AM

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Star Trek V has a mr plinkett commentary track that is hilarious, and makes it much easier to watch again. I liked STTMP more than most, it's very plodding but kind of a cool concept and actually captures the spirit of the tv show pretty well IMO.

Of course it does. It was basically a revamp of The Changeling episode. Instead of NOMAD, we got VGER.

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I've always ranked them

2 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5

1>4???

I don't think I've ever run across anyone with that opinion.

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All the TNG ones were awful and weird

First contact was very good, imo.

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10-27-2016 , 12:02 PM

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Yeah, really lots to enjoy in First Contact. Frakes really nailed it, even down to small details like playing the klingon theme during the Defiant section of the opening space battle.

The Dorn/Stewart scene is also great. Really draws from their TNG history to give the scene extra clout.

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10-27-2016 , 12:12 PM

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I hated the concept of the Borg Queen, but I guess they felt they needed an individual antagonist.

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10-27-2016 , 01:05 PM

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First contact literally makes no sense I guess that's why I don't like it. I don't want to be a sci fi film nit picker but why didn't then borg just go back in time somewhere else then conquer the past? Instead of fighting every federation ship, barely lose, then go back in time? I also thought James Cromwell was ass but that's personal taste

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10-27-2016 , 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by diebitter

3 and 4 are elite.

And First Contact is great.

I like them all except 5, just personal taste after that. Five might be in the running for worst movie I've ever seen, not just worst star trek movie. I can sense some resistance on the TNG movies being terrible but I'll rank for posterity

First contact >>>>>>>>> insurrection >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nemesis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations .

And I think first contact sucked so I wanted to show how bad I thought the other movies were. Especially generations, talk about ruining everything

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10-27-2016 , 06:51 PM

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I know all this has been discussed in this very thread before but I like Generations. A senile Shatner chopping wood and frying eggs with Picard was hilarious, Mcdowell was pretty good as the villain, interesting enough plot and some interesting Guinan backstory. Then again I think someone said Guinan was a generally disliked character which I don't understand either. Having an enigmatic and seemingly immortal bartender/personal advisor to the captain was pretty cool imo.

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10-27-2016 , 07:50 PM

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Yeah Generations was the best odd numbered movie for me. Of course it would have been better if that worthless POS Riker had been court martialed for losing the Enterprise at the end.

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10-27-2016 , 08:35 PM

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Idk how this hasn't already been posted in here, this guy is awesome.

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10-27-2016 , 10:41 PM

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The time travel thing you can say about literally any time travel movie.

I also thought generations was a pretty entertaining entry to the series.

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10-27-2016 , 11:24 PM

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Yeah I don't get the hate for Generations. It was a good passing of the torch movie. My biggest complaint was doing away with ceiling lighting and relying on sun-driven window lighting... HATED that, just didn't work.

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10-28-2016 , 01:43 AM

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Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock

Very underrated and enjoyable entry into Star Trek canon, with Christopher Lloyd giving us the first 'new' Klingon and setting up that entire race in this post-Original Series universe, with some very fine moviemaking from Nimoy too.

4/5

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10-28-2016 , 11:06 AM

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People I've talked to who saw it in the theater couldn't take him seriously because all they saw was Jim from Taxi.

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10-28-2016 , 11:55 AM

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Idk how this hasn't already been posted in here, this guy is awesome.

Painful, but I must be missing something. Should I know the song?

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10-28-2016 , 08:41 PM

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There were some new klingons in ST:TMP, but they didnt do much.

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10-29-2016 , 02:42 AM

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There were some new klingons in ST:TMP, but they didnt do much.

Yeah, I should have been clearer, this is the first fully-fleshed Klingon character, I meant to say.

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10-29-2016 , 01:33 PM

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Rifftrax makes ST:V a lot of fun.

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Yeah, I should have been clearer, this is the first fully-fleshed Klingon character, I meant to say.

No love for Captain Kor from TOS?

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10-29-2016 , 01:40 PM

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NEW Klingons, with forehead ridges.

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10-29-2016 , 02:06 PM

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Yes, I was specifically talking about the new Klingons.

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