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12-25-2015 , 10:20 PM
I thought The Revenant was really good. Probabky better then that, but it wasn't quite what I expected:

Spoiler:
I thought it was more of a solo piece but that would've meant less Tom Hardy, which would not have been good


I'd give it a solid B+

40minutes before The Hateful 8 starts. Landmark Theaters on Pico has some costumes displayed, so I'm certainly feeling the whole experience aspect already!!!!!!!
12-25-2015 , 10:34 PM
I love The Hateful Eight. I had a blast watching these characters duke it out in a battle of wits. Worth it alone to watch Samuel L Jackson chew scenery. I'm going to miss Tarantino when he's finished. More thoughts later.
12-25-2015 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Sorry, I also meant to add that his Inglourious Basterds takes its title from Enzo G Castelarri's 1978 film of almost the exact same name.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076584/reference
In one Scene they also reference two Italian filmmakers, when pretending to be Italian, one calling himself "Antonio Margheriti", who is an Italian director who did a ton of genre/b movie/exploitation flicks in his day, one being Killer Fish (1979) with Lee Majors, which you may have caught on tv as a kid back in the day. (I did anyway. )
His Django Unchained is a homage to the Italian Django series from the 60s and even has a cameo from Franco Nero, the original Django character.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060315/reference
Again, Tarantino is imo ultimately a genre film/ b flick fan and his films reflect this quite self consciously, to me.
Gee wiz... I wished I learned something here, but with the obviousness of the info , I did not.
12-25-2015 , 11:50 PM
Just got back from H8... superb work to be sure, more so the longer I think about what I just witnessed. I have definite and well defined thoughts already, but I really want to see it again before collating my impression into a statement on this movie.

As a quick observation, I was less impressed with the esthetics and technical achievement than I was with the writing... exactly the opposite of what I thought would be... though there were some specific scenes involving vapor and smoke that were extremely wondrous, as were the close ups. The action was far less important and impactful than was the tension and back story.

I want to digest what I have seen and perhaps see it again... suffice to say, Quetins stylized western chess game was a massive success.

Last edited by MSchu18; 12-25-2015 at 11:57 PM.
12-26-2015 , 02:49 AM
Star wars was pretty bad. Abrams is pretty awful imo.
12-26-2015 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Thinking about The Revanent tomorrow, so any more thumbs up or down will be appreciated.
Visually magnificent. I actually preferred it to a Malick film, yet, much like the latter, the story was nothing to write home about.
12-26-2015 , 03:52 AM
only similarity to malick are the shots of nature

tonally, the movie is not anything like a malick film
12-26-2015 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
only similarity to malick are the shots of nature

tonally, the movie is not anything like a malick film
This times a million. The comparisons are far fetched.
12-26-2015 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
Gee wiz... I wished I learned something here, but with the obviousness of the info , I did not.
"Gee wizz"? Really?
Is your name microbet? I wasn't responding to you anyway, so it's irrelevant and of absolutely zero interest to me whether you learned anything or not.
12-26-2015 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
It's always been that Tarantino's main and only theme in all of his films...is the love of movies. They are great films, lots of fun, and often quite ingenious with narrative structure, dialog, and editing.

However, the more times I see his films, the more I am convinced that all of them are, at heart, empty of meaningful thematic import.

The only one that seems to have any interest in real characters and real consequences and that has something to say beyond "look how cool this movie is," seems to be Jackie Brown. The two leads - Pam Grier and Robert Forster - are unique in the Tarantino canon in that they are 3-dimensional, realistic characters. Of course, that could be because they were originally created by Elmore Leonard.

I'm hoping Tarantino gets tired of aping films he loves and actually wants to say something before he retires.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said, but exploitation films have very little gravitas anyway, some notable exceptions to the rule. I don't think Tarantino will ever break out of this any time soon, as B movies are his world and he makes his films based on his love of genre flicks, and his films have been pretty successful so far. As you said he likes aping or recreating the films he loved. Tarantino's strength is in his dialogue, which elevates what are ultimately genre flicks by him.
But I don't think he actually has anything to say, apart from how he loves genre flicks, really.
12-26-2015 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
The Big Short easily movie of the year ainec
This, absolutely fantastic
12-26-2015 , 05:53 AM
Joy was quite entertaining once it got rolling. It's very much a David O'Russell picture. Joy is a quality companion piece to The Fighter. It doesn't have the pure cinematic magic of Silver Linings, nor does it share the cynicism of American Hustle. I'm a bit surprised that critics didn't receive this better. It's not great, certainly isn't rotten either.
12-26-2015 , 07:54 AM
Disclaimer: I am not a movie buff...and I am yet to see Hateful8.

I think it is unfair to say that Tarantino does not have anything meaningful to say. Sure, I think there are good grounds to critique his ethics of language, race and culture. Further, I would also suggest that his aesthetics and attitude to violence is equally problematic. However, I do not think it is fair to say he is unoriginal or uninteresting as a filmmaker. It is not enough to argue that by re-interpreting genre movies or by not adding a new plot to a movie that a movie is unoriginal. Obviously, you can retread content and be original by reconstructing or reinterpreting a story or genre by re-treating the medium or form elements of film. Now I would not go so far as to say that Tarantino is Avant-Garde in his attitude to form because I think clearly he is not. Particularly, given the overwhelming nostalgic homage in both shot selection and scene construction of a lot of his work. However, I think that he does make some interesting assemblages of pre-existing modes of storytelling and uses of the medium in original ways.

#mytwocents worth.

p.s. In so doing, he is also making artistic statements about the state of filmmaking and the types of storytelling, possibilities for the medium - all of which are, to my mind at least, pertinent to some of the issues of digitisation and corporitisation as well as the challenges of TV, Internet and small screen consumption of filmic art.
12-26-2015 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
only similarity to malick are the shots of nature

tonally, the movie is not anything like a malick film
Want it or not, ne cannot help but think of The New World while watching The Revenant. Not trying nor interested in comparing both styles.

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Originally Posted by TheCroShow
This times a million. The comparisons are far fetched.
The subject of both movies and the magnificence of the camera are similarities, me thinks Nevertheless, my post was not not meant to troll the Malick lovers out there
12-26-2015 , 09:09 AM
Inception This is the second watch for me.

The first time I saw it I was slightly underwhelmed. I believe this was due to a combination of unrealistic expectations and not completely understanding what was going on..

The rewatch was much better. Having a grasp on the concept before the movie started helped tremendously. Really really liked it this second time.
12-26-2015 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Disclaimer: I am not a movie buff...and I am yet to see Hateful8.

I think it is unfair to say that Tarantino does not have anything meaningful to say. Sure, I think there are good grounds to critique his ethics of language, race and culture. Further, I would also suggest that his aesthetics and attitude to violence is equally problematic. However, I do not think it is fair to say he is unoriginal or uninteresting as a filmmaker. It is not enough to argue that by re-interpreting genre movies or by not adding a new plot to a movie that a movie is unoriginal. Obviously, you can retread content and be original by reconstructing or reinterpreting a story or genre by re-treating the medium or form elements of film. Now I would not go so far as to say that Tarantino is Avant-Garde in his attitude to form because I think clearly he is not. Particularly, given the overwhelming nostalgic homage in both shot selection and scene construction of a lot of his work. However, I think that he does make some interesting assemblages of pre-existing modes of storytelling and uses of the medium in original ways.

#mytwocents worth.

p.s. In so doing, he is also making artistic statements about the state of filmmaking and the types of storytelling, possibilities for the medium - all of which are, to my mind at least, pertinent to some of the issues of digitisation and corporitisation as well as the challenges of TV, Internet and small screen consumption of filmic art.
One thing that became apparent to me towards the end of H8 was that Tarantino took what would have been, in any other basic western morality story, a very short 20- 30 second action sequence of a gang take over and shootout and expanded that to a three hour back story filled experiential story. He filled the narrative with a racist and civil war lattice of turisms and let the chess game play out in a very naturalized manner that left no major figure unscathed or untouched.

There is also a large dose of a mutual race statement as evidenced by the white and black horse working together and lending the stage coach team and of course by the eventual diametrical protagonists that are left standing at the end of the story where justice was finally metered out.

Looking at a movie like this with basic linear story eyesight does no justice to the art Quentin has created... or in this case, frontier juctice.
12-26-2015 , 09:54 AM
Haven't seen H8 but pretending QT is trying to be Bergman is silly. Of course, he is an exploitation film maker. He just happens to be the best one ever.
12-26-2015 , 10:47 AM
people who saw H8 in 70mm: did you even notice much of a difference? would you recommend seeking it out?
12-26-2015 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
One thing that became apparent to me towards the end of H8 was that Tarantino took what would have been, in any other basic western morality story, a very short 20- 30 second action sequence of a gang take over and shootout and expanded that to a three hour back story filled experiential story. He filled the narrative with a racist and civil war lattice of turisms and let the chess game play out in a very naturalized manner that left no major figure unscathed or untouched.

There is also a large dose of a mutual race statement as evidenced by the white and black horse working together and lending the stage coach team and of course by the eventual diametrical protagonists that are left standing at the end of the story where justice was finally metered out.

Looking at a movie like this with basic linear story eyesight does no justice to the art Quentin has created... or in this case, frontier juctice.
You mean "lattice of truisms?" And what do you mean by that exactly?

Justice was "meted" out?
12-26-2015 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Haven't seen H8 but pretending QT is trying to be Bergman is silly. Of course, he is an exploitation film maker. He just happens to be the best one ever.
Maybe Quentin is the best B movie writer/director? Either him or Robert Rodriguez.

I don't think exploitation film director really applies.

Last edited by Eeyorefora; 12-26-2015 at 01:05 PM.
12-26-2015 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
The only one that seems to have any interest in real characters and real consequences and that has something to say beyond "look how cool this movie is," seems to be Jackie Brown. The two leads - Pam Grier and Robert Forster - are unique in the Tarantino canon in that they are 3-dimensional, realistic characters. Of course, that could be because they were originally created by Elmore Leonard.

I'm hoping Tarantino gets tired of aping films he loves and actually wants to say something before he retires.
Jackie Brown has always been my favorite Tarantino film for just this reason.

I feel like Tarantino always has something useful to say about filmmaking and storytelling, but it seems like all the ultraviolence and N-bombs and shock has just obscured things in his last few movies. Based only on previews and reviews, it looks like he's dangerously close to becoming self-parody.
12-26-2015 , 01:26 PM
Loved Hateful 8. Such a fun time. But, like most Tarantino films post-Pulp Fiction, I have little to say about it aside from that. I could sit and discuss scenes over drinks with friends, but not a lot more then that. And I know that going in to these, so it never bothers me. I'm sure if I wanted to, I could dissect them and search for "deeper" meaning but that would take a lot of the fun out of their purpose. At least their purpose for me. I almost NEVER go to the theater. I just don't like going. But I've seen every QT film in the theater and have loved them all.
12-26-2015 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
people who saw H8 in 70mm: did you even notice much of a difference? would you recommend seeking it out?
Yes and yes
12-26-2015 , 03:47 PM
Just saw The Big Short and thought it was terrific. I loved the book and read it in one sitting as I couldn't put it down. The movie is equally engrossing. But like most book/movie comparisons the movie leaves a lot out and doesn't go into as much detail. But the movie was great and the 4th wall breaking very good for explaining some of the technical details. Living in that world for the past 30 years makes this story especially interesting to me and the 07/08 markets were totally insane to trade.
12-26-2015 , 05:46 PM
Saw the hateful eight in 70mm and it was gorgeous. Good entertaining movie too although Prob one of my least favorite qt movies . Fun experience

      
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