i was very entertained by the wolf of wall street, but it's def not for everyone. i can easily see how some (many?) ppl could be turned off by it: it's essentially a 3-hr non-stop barrage of hookers and blow (and quaaludes), and i have no idea how it avoided an nc-17 rating. it SHOULD be rated nc-17 imo. and as much as i enjoyed seeing margot robbie presenting herself in the buff, i think it's totally fair to ask if this movie is misogynistic. the nytimes review put it very well (mind you, these are passages from an overall highly positive review):

i could buy that politically correct bull **** if it was a fictional story.
granted there is always some poetic license but if you read the book you realize its not that over hyped in the film.
**** was ****ing crazy.

the whole point of showing such excess was that they had to hit you over the head to drive in just how absurd the lifestyle was.
if they just showed a few scenes of drug use and a few hookers you'd be like ok w/e.
they had to really shock you to make the point.

of course it was misogynistic, that's the whole ****ing point. thats the paradigm these guys operated under.
it wasn't just martin being a misogynist cuz he dislikes women or w/e.
god some ppl are just so ****ing hell-bent on getting offended by everything.

why would I pay money to watch a movie that basically celebrates misogyny and excess? It's giving lots of people bad ideas. In other biopics they had to take on huge risks.. like sell drugs, kill people, rob people at gun point etc. Nobody wants to be that guy.

I'd be willing to bet tons of guys want to be DiCaprio in the movie..."leaving on a
surge of adrenaline, intoxicated by its visual delights and visceral thrills"

sorry, not for me. I thought it was sickening because I don't think it was intended to make people feel sick.

do you also enjoy reading the tabloids about the rich and famous and facebook stalking? just curious...

So What? You could say the exact same things about Wall Street. The Teldar speech was 10x better than anything on wolf, if you wanna be someone who doesn't get it and likes what you're supposed to despise. This is an old argument, nothing new here... American Psycho etc

jonas, i'm not exactly the politically correct type myself, in fact i'm certainly at times guilty of what might be considered misogynistic behavior in my own personal life, but i think you're crazy to think ppl have no right to be offended by this movie.

you said, "of course it was misogynistic, that's the whole ****ing point"--but what IS the point, exactly? do you think the main point of this movie is a condemnation of the behavior and actions of the main characters? that wasn't the sense i took away from it. jordan belfort never really seems unlikeable at any point; the movie celebrates his actions as much as condemns them, if not more so. it seems quite plausible to me that someone would aspire to be like him. committing securities fraud isn't that easy to emulate. casual misogyny on the other hand? not as hard.

I'm sorry but if you guys think the actions in The Wolf of Wall Street are celebrated you are ****ing stupid.

huge difference between thank you for smoking, american psycho vs twows.

Very high % of people left the theater "getting it" in tyfs, you'd have to ******ed not to

lines are way blurred in twows, and i think majority aren't getting the right message

cro- go ask a 18-24 yo male what he thought of the movie, you're gonna be in for a shock

The same morons who thought Spring Breakers was the "Worst movie ever?" Nah I'd rather not listen to their uninformed opinion. =p

The problem with satire is that a lot of people get the wrong message. How many gung ho military types quote Full Metal Jacket?

Well the sad truth is many Americans are snake oil salesmen "making a living"

So basically movies only exist as how-to-guides for how to live your life? I do not understand this mentality whatsoever. It also has to be very explicitly laid out what you are supposed to think of anyone depicted? I assume you hated Breaking Bad?

Out of curiosity, have you every seen any other Scorsese film?

Do you typically idolize characters you see in movies and imitate their behavior? Because it sounds like you're projecting an extremely immature and impressionable personality type onto others.

I could understand this coming from a Bible Belt mom talking to her two preteen boys, just seems odd for a (presumably) grown man to have this particular concern with regard to other adults.

BB is a good example.

If you know people who walk out of the movie idolizing Belfort and making it their goal to go out in a Quaalude-filled super binge, then remove these people from your life. They are probably too stupid to function and probably bring your IQ down. Also, most people who wouldn't understand that the whole movie is a very darkly humorous satire probably wouldn't sit through a three hour movie even if they were on as much coke as Belfort.

I wouldn't say the movie condemns such behaviors per say, but I definitely don't think it encourages them. I think Scorsese does a great job making Belfort both charismatic and unlikable in some of the films most dramatic scenes



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and as an overall theme



Scorsese never really openly condemns his main characters, so I wouldn't say he is doing so here. That said, he does seem to cast enough clear faults of Belfort for him to not be completely adored.

The Hobbit 2

Didn't care much for the elf stuff in the beginning. Loved the dragon, which turned the movie from average to very fun for me.

Did I say all movies exist solely for how-to purposes? No, I didn't. However, I did say this one blurs the line and kinda does. Has anyone read liars poker? Lewis thought he was doing good by exposing wall street; hopefully discouraging young, bright minds from going in that direction. It did exactly the opposite. Many people treated his book as a how to guide. What is this movie going to do?
In that sense I thought both were very similar.

Breaking bad, goodfellas, heat, scarface are all bad examples because they do things nobody wants to do. It's filled with murder, selling drugs, and ultimately death or long prison sentences. Wall street is a different animal.

Cran- yes I am a fan of Martin Scorsese. This one just bothered me.

Gonz- I don't know where you're getting the idea that I idolize movie characters? I don't think you can refute that many young adults do, which is what I said.

this has gotten wacky...

Scorsese, as a director, has been fairly ineffective for nearly a decade except for 2011... these misgivings do not surprise me on WoWS.

rust never sleeps...

Maybe this is a sad commentary on wall street more than anything

you didnt like the departed , or the aviator ? even shutter island pretty good .

I will knife fight you the next time I'm in Vegas.

Departed... eh, yeah, it's good.

I think that the departed is the only other movie on the post 2000 list to earn any notable praise from me besides Hugo, but the rest (even the departed to some extent), just seem so overly self indulgent and gimmicky. I can not view them as part of the positive aspects of MS's career... not when compared to other movies of greatness he's crafted.

to be honest, it's not the craftsmanship... though to some extent it has been, It's been the stories and or adaptions of real events that are just killing it for me when I hear about a new MS movie.

Post 2000 it's been... "oh that's a beautiful shot, I remember the exact same shot when he used it 20 years ago". I blame recordable media and the inclination of individuals like myself to constantly dissect a movie every available possible variant by continually watching it over and over to the point where one can no longer just watch a movie for enjoyment sake... perhaps only seeing that movie a handful of times before it leaves the theaters and returns to the vault.

if I had to try and put my finger on it... I would have to say that Martin Scorsese has become visually formulaic.

But I still love him...

Their lifestyle is seductive and is presented as such to an extent, same as Goodfellas. Denying that point is certainly missing the point. I mean, what do you think the allure to the career is to young men to begin with? It isn't a product of the movie, it's a product of American culture. It glories the life same as Goodfellas glorifies life in the mob. And hey, if you don't care about the path of destruction in the wake then yea it's going to be a fun ride. That's just... TRUE.

I know this movie even has its sequel out....but I watched (only the first 30 mins) Anchorman and that has got to be the dumbest comedy movie I have seen in awhile.
Admittedly I am not a hard-core movie goer and I am sure someone will cite 10 or more worse comedy movies.
But I basically wanted to punch each of the characters.
I made 30 mins before turning it off.
0.5/5 stars

This ldo. Literally like all of them are the same type thing. It's just people are being offended by the images themselves, which is fair enough. Go watch the King's Speech then.