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10-29-2010 , 05:36 PM

#276

Dominic

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Originally Posted by diebitter

Blade Runner, for example?

anything after The Long Goodbye is neo-noir. I would say the first neo-noir was Point Blank.

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10-29-2010 , 05:50 PM

#277

diebitter

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point blank was made before the long goodbye tho.

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10-29-2010 , 06:57 PM

#278

Enrique

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I'd like to be in the film noir one, but I've yet to watch my horror film, I have two days left...

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10-29-2010 , 07:13 PM

#279

Dominic

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Originally Posted by diebitter

point blank was made before the long goodbye tho.

I know. That's why I said it was the first one.

The Long Goodbye calmly trots out and then quickly subverts every noir cliche in the cannon, and thus pretty much destroys the genre from ever being "just noir" from that point forward. Every noirish film that comes after is either a pastiche, an homage or a parody of some sort.

My favorite part of The Long Goodbye is that Gould's Philip Marlowe is completely ineffectual throughout the film. He does nothing. He accomplishes nothing. Heck, even his cat leaves him in the end.

BTW, I've been in that elevator and apartment where Gould lives in the movie. Very cool.

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10-29-2010 , 08:30 PM

#280

Blarg

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Originally Posted by cubicZ

The Silent Partner is another great noirish 70's film with Elliot Gould.

One of my favorite flicks. I'm surprised anyone else remembers it, because it is virtually never mentioned.

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10-29-2010 , 08:32 PM

#281

Blarg

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Originally Posted by Dominic

anything after The Long Goodbye is neo-noir. I would say the first neo-noir was Point Blank.

How would you define neo-noir, elsewise?

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10-29-2010 , 08:34 PM

#282

Blarg

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Originally Posted by Dominic

BTW, I've been in that elevator and apartment where Gould lives in the movie. Very cool.

You've been to UCLA/Westwood, so I'm sure you recognize the corner he's running by at one point in the flick too. There used to be a Miller's Outpost there, then it was a bank, then a string of businesses that opened and closed, IIRC. I saw the flick when I was at UCLA, and it was kind of an eerie feeling recognizing the corner.

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10-29-2010 , 08:51 PM

#283

John Cole

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Criterion has these films listed under the category of noir and neo-noir from its catalog. Blast of Silence is a sleeper here on this list; however, you might disagree about the inclusion of a few of the selections.

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10-29-2010 , 08:52 PM

#284

Dominic

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Originally Posted by Blarg

How would you define neo-noir, elsewise?

I can't remember how I defined it in my paper, but I'd say any film that is self-conscious of any film noir-genre conventions that it uses. I know how broad that is, but it's a start.

Films like The Long Goodbye, Dead Men don't Wear Plaid and The Last Seduction would all qualify, imo. They are self-referential to the point of being parody (which Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid obviously is), and the filmmakers know before shooting a frame that it is either going to "look" like a noir film, or have plot and character conventions of a noir film.

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10-29-2010 , 08:58 PM

#285

cubicZ

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Originally Posted by Dominic

BTW, I've been in that elevator and apartment where Gould lives in the movie. Very cool.

Did you share a brownie with the girls next door?

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10-29-2010 , 08:58 PM

#286

John Cole

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Originally Posted by Dominic

But the filmmakers can simply play it straight, too, as in Body Heat and L.A. Confidential.

Although I could make a case that Body Heat winks at the conventions a bit despite playing it straight mostly.

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10-29-2010 , 09:15 PM

#287

Blarg

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What is neo about it if it is doing the same thing, though?

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10-29-2010 , 09:23 PM

#288

John Cole

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Originally Posted by Blarg

What is neo about it if it is doing the same thing, though?

Well, they're both in color, for one. And they weren't made in the '40s or '50s.

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10-29-2010 , 09:36 PM

#289

Blarg

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lulz

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10-30-2010 , 01:41 AM

#290

Dominic

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Originally Posted by John Cole

L.A. Confidential takes place in Hollywood in the 40s...so there is that...the film's look is obviously based on film noir conventions. And Body Heat is a straight rip-ff of the greatest film noir ever made - Double Indemnity.

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10-30-2010 , 04:01 AM

#291

John Cole

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Oh, Dom it's a homage, and a well done one at that. Don't compare it to the greatest of all time, but enjoy it for what it is. Kathleen turner, btw, is terrific in it. There's a great moment in the opening at the concert when everyone else is sweltering on a steamy night. Not a breath of air. Yet when Turner stands up to walk, the wind sweeps back her hair. She's a devil all right.

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10-30-2010 , 11:49 AM

#292

Dominic

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Oh, I like it a lot...but it's still a rip-off.

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10-30-2010 , 02:12 PM

#293

its_just_me

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i'm in for the next round btw

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10-30-2010 , 08:04 PM

#294

Clovis8

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November Movie Dictator Club: Film Noir thread

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11-01-2010 , 09:26 AM

#295

BustoRhymes

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Frailty

Interesting and better than I expected, but still with quite a few failings. The biggest fault was the horrible acting by the children, and next in line was a twist that might have worked on paper, but was made cheap by the casting decisions.

On the positive side, I appreciated McCoonaughey 's willingness to look even more sweaty and weird and gross and creepy than he usually does. Also, I liked the relationship of the family, and I liked the scene after **** starts to get weird where everyone acts like nothing happened, and you're not sure if anything did.

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