I found the drunks to be among the most pretentious. Although maybe less so when they were drinking?

Depends on their bar of choice obviously.

Most people just take it where they go to law school

Hang tough for another few weeks imo. For me at least, the first two weeks were ****ty, but it reminded me of high school football in the sense that prof's were extra dicks in an attempt to weed people out. After a few weeks, I settled in and adjusted accordingly.

If you're actually in shaker heights, I'm sorry to hear that My friend is a 1L at Case in CLE and Ohio is a pretty boring state overall. Go Browns!

I don't want this to come off the wrong way, but if your relationship with your spouse is in trouble - you may want to research the implications, if any, of initiating a divorce while you are earning/after you have earned a professional degree.

Anyone here do disability or human rights work? Partner at my firm is general counsel to a condo.

Condo received request from disabled person to make modifications to exterior and other common areas around unit as a condition to purchasing a unit. All modifications will be paid for by disabled person.

Can the condo deny the request?

I am taking a class that is an introduction to insurance and law, and there is a section about contracts and when they are enforcable. One of the quiz questions, states a contract between spouses for one spouse to pay money to the other spouse for a divorce is unenforceable under the grounds that restriction of marriage is against public policy. The book talks about contracts restricting someone from ever marrying as being illegal, but that seems like a pretty big leap in logic. In the past many of the quiz questions have been incorrect. Do people think this one is?

That's pretty bad!! Thanks for trying the case and winning it. Now cut your fee to sh*t. No? OK well now I'm coming after YOU, and will pay my new lawyer with all of the money you won for me. lol.

That reminds me of the other day this client of mine. Very tough liability case, settled for a lot of money against the one viable defendant with insurance. Have a double digit millions dollar default judgment against a small company (w/ no insurance or much money)and they've agreed to pay her a few thousand per month forever so we won't shut their ass down. She drives (in her brand new mercedes bought with settlement money) to my office with her criminal lawyer (who I've paid a large referral fee to) to bitch about the few thousand not being enough.

Yeah...kind of becoming more aware of that now more than the last 12 years I've known him.

Ugh that's the worst. My grandfather is like that. I was always a "bad student" and a screw up in his mind or whatever while all of the other perfect children at my school went to Harvard, so now he just acts like I'm Jim Adler now that I'm a lawyerman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TvdiBebWTY (google for more Hammer fun).

Even the other day, some dickhead defense lawyer who was referring us (through me, but not to me) a case and seriously asked "Have you tried a case yet?". I would say it was pretty blatantly him just trying to big time me, so I don't really give a damn, but I sure did want to punch him in the face through the phone. It's no fun getting disrespected, although the look on their face when they read the verdict makes it almost worth it. I think after my second trial, the defense lawyer with 25 years experience was asking me if I thought his trial strategy was good, and I'm like "dude I don't know..."...He was actually nice though.

I've just kind of like given up trying to care if anyone (other than potential clients maybe) think of me. My family (like mom/grandparents...not counting wife obv) have no idea that I do kind of big cases sometimes.

a lot of lawyers are real jerks. more at 11.

cant let it get to you. just prove yourself and move on. maintain your integrity and reputation. the rest will come.

Sup guys.

Been working for the last three years and started thinking about law school again, as something I've always wanted to do. Thing is I messed up a bit in undergrad, curious if it's even possible to get into a law school worth going to with my stats? Thinking maybe not in this saturated mark. About me:

* went to UC Davis, graduated with poli sci major and history minor
* 2.99 gpa, did really bad first two years due to grinding online, had over 3 junior year and over 3.5 senior year
* 170 on practice LSAT, never took real test. Assume I could get similar score on test (big assumption I know)
* worked last 3 years in ad sales/marketing in NYC, started as entry level now management

Would appreciate any advice you guys have. Just want to figure out what my best case scenario is as I know entrance is mostly a numbers game.

Thanks in advance.

If that practice test is a true cold practice strictly timed you can get into a t14 school for sure and a full ride to a number of tier 1 schools.

Also law school is not saturated, last year had the lowest number of applications/test takers in years. Market is rebounding, it's pretty reasonable right now.

Numbers are fine but do you know why you want to go to law school?

Really, even with the horrible gpa? Thanks for responding.

Does the work experience help at all with the applications? If I could really get into a top 15 school I would definitely be interested in pursuing. Basically just trying to figure out now whether it is worth committing the time to study/pay for the test. I guess it can't hurt to study for a while/see how I do on the real thing.

The 170 wasn't cold. I had been studying in an LSAT class a few times a week before taking it.

Criminal law/trial law has always been fascinating to me and the legal theory and philosophies classes I took in college were some of the ones I enjoyed the most. Also really enjoyed my classes around Supreme Court case decisions. Loved the few mock trials I got to participate in as well.

Plus I just want to further my education. I enjoyed undergrad but don't really feel like I earned a "skill." Think this is a big factor for me.

Don't really have any other reason besides interest in the subject and for wanting to learn more basically. I earn decent money doing what I do now so it wouldn't be for an increase in salary or anything like that.

Ok, that's a shade different. I was forecasting a score that was a bit higher. It all depends on your LSAT, but if you can work your way into a 175, the work experience and upwards trajectory will probably get someone like a Duke to let you in.

Play around with lawschoolnumbers.com. Can scatter plot each school by LSAT and GPA. Pretty cool (pro-tip: make sure URM is unchecked, if you are in fact non-URM). That one check box can bring you hurtling back to Earth.

Thanks!

I am 1/16 Cherokee so maybe lol

Your LSAT is more important than GPA. A college roommate of mine went to Boston College after a 2.1 gpa but over 170 lsat. There are many similar stories.

Do you know any lawyers or have any connections for a job after graduation? If you do going to highest tiered school not as important as going as cheaply as possible..

Not really. I'm heavily connected to a small family law firm in the east bay but that's about it.

I have a lot of business connections here in NYC but not sure how that will help on the law jobs lol

A girl in my class parlayed being 1/16 Native American into an almost full ride. She's also president of the NA law students club lol. Make sure you mention it, it can't hurt imo.

Might as well start gaming the system now with your URM status if you can; it's good practice for being a lawyer. I'm glad you said criminal and trial law btw since criminal is the only way to get any trial experience for most people.

I don't have any real way to prove it. All I have is anecdotal stories from my grandmother that her mom was cherokee and we have a picture of her. Guess I could submit the picture with the application.

And RE criminal law and trials, I can't really say with a straight face that I am interested in like tax law or anything (at least now). "Entertainment law" sounds interesting but I'm also suspect that that is even a thing. Sounds like a scame.

Entertainment Law was the most miserably uninteresting class I took in law school, but your mileage may vary.

Entertainment is a huge thing in LA fwiw.