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04-14-2008 , 07:39 PM
Villain hasn't gotten out of line at all so far. Haven't seen him showdown anything.
18/14/inf. over about 100 hands
I've been playing a 27/19/4 game for about 50 hands.

Didn't think he could play QQ+ like this or even AJ. Figured it was 99, JJ or I had it over AK, AQ, or something he squeezed with and decided to try and take the pot with small bets after my flop check. Gave serious thought to dumping it pf.
betting the flop didn't seem to have much merit to me as I figured it would either lead to a
(1) a fold
(2) a shove
(3) a call that puts me in a terrible spot on the turn no matter what comes and no matter what he does

Pretty quick flop check - he tanks until time activates both on his turn and river bets

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($26.35)
MP ($27.50)
Button ($44.65)
SB ($26.50)
BB ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, SB raises to $4.1, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.15, Button folds.

Flop: ($9.20) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9.20) (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($15.20) (2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $33.20
04-15-2008 , 03:35 AM
Hmm, difficult hand. I don't agree with your range though -- his stats looks like a good but somewhat nitty TAG.
I think he's c-betting that flop with 99, JJ and AJ (though I don't think it likely he's 3-betting an UTG raiser OOP with AJ). The turn bet looks weak, so by now it's either a stab with missed overcards or trying to squeeze value out of QQ+, which he might have checked intending to check-raise the flop.
On the river he bets a more fierce 2/3 pot, and I agree with your call, I think you'll see AQ or AK often enough to make this a call.

At the table, I might bet the flop, or raise the turn, but I don't think the differences are large.
04-15-2008 , 01:47 PM
I put him on more of a big pair. I think he is checking the flop to either check raise, or get you to call his turn+river bet. I don't see an 18/14 three betting AJ very often. Could be a set of 99 or JJ but. He played it weird if so.

I think this is an UI AK or AQs or something enough times to call. Take a note on this hand for sure.
04-15-2008 , 04:35 PM
Anybody folding to villians raise preflop?
04-16-2008 , 09:39 AM
i am. $4 is too bad of a price to setmine for 1 stack, and it turns into JJ or QQ often enough anyway.
04-16-2008 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niediam
Anybody folding to villians raise preflop?
Don't like the call pf either, you need to hit a T, not sufficient implieds for that, you will not make him fold JJ+ the pot is too big for that and the pot is too big for you to fold if only rags on the flop.
04-16-2008 , 03:37 PM
This is one of those spots where you need to have a plan before the hand plays out. Since you really cant call for set odds, youve got to know what you are going to do on flops that dont contain an ace or king, if its just to fold then you shouldnt call in the first place.

I think I would bet the flop here as I think it makes the hand soooo much easier to play. If you get checkraised its an easy fold, and if he calls, its the last money I put into the pot (barring a good turn card), it saves you from having to decide wtf to do after you check behind and also protects your hand against AK

Id never fold the turn because I cant fold to small bets, but I hate that he bets small on the turn and then bets bigger on the river, in my experience thats usually a real hand. Tho I guess he might have ace king as well and think thats what you have and is trying to bet you off a split (but if thats the case, why wouldnt he just bet the flop OOP). At the time I prolly call I guess, but Im not happy about it and really its -EV IMO. But yeah, id go back and bet the flop and avoid all of it or just fold PF
04-16-2008 , 06:06 PM
its a tarp. for me, the small turn bet followed by a bigger river bet might be because once u call the turn he thinks u care commited to calling a bigger river bet.

I think i just bet the turn and see what happens...I dont want to play a big pot here.

did u have any reads on this guy in relation to bet sizing? had he been over/undersizing them before this hand preflop/postflop?
04-17-2008 , 12:13 PM
*grunch*

Quote:
Originally Posted by vhuntd
Preflop: Hero is UTG with TT.
Hero raises to $0.85...
I don't know about anybody else, but this tends to be a big tell for me, i.e. when a villan raises to $0.85 preflop it's because he hit the "Pot" button on the FT client, i.e. he's a weak button-pusher. If Villan's got the same read, this might open up his PFR range, and make his postflop line make more sense by bringing AJ into his range.

fwiw, if we made a non-push-button raise ($0.75 or $1) preflop and a non-******ed Villan still makes a big trey I'm letting TT go. Especially against this kind of opponent, who looks like he's playing some serious fit-or-fold poker.
04-17-2008 , 10:39 PM
^^^

I dont play at a site with a pot button, but doesnt everyone use that for PFR when there is one??
04-17-2008 , 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alobar
^^^

I dont play at a site with a pot button, but doesnt everyone use that for PFR when there is one??
That and minraises throw up a red flag for me.
04-18-2008 , 01:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alobar
^^^

I dont play at a site with a pot button, but doesnt everyone use that for PFR when there is one??
I did for a while, but then I switched back to 4BB+1 because it gets an extra 1/2 BB into the pot which I will win in the most frequent scenario (c-bet takes it down).
04-18-2008 , 01:37 AM
I call the the pre-flop raise.

I'm hoping for three of a kind on the flop. If I don't hit and he checks to me, I bet 1/2- 3/4 pot. If he reraises, fold. If he calls, check/fold to the river.

      
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