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is my hand telegraphed? is my hand telegraphed?

07-04-2008 , 11:43 PM
okay, so lets try something different and hopefully it wont fail. Im gunna keep my hand secret for now because I want to see if im telegraphing/polarising my range. Feel free to put me on hand ranges on each street.

villian is relatively unknown as its only been 2-3 orbits but his preliminary stats are 26/20 but of course over a small sample size he could be a nit running hot or a lag. I hadnt seem any hands at SD yet so i didnt have a decent read.

Ill say this though, im not on a pure resteal here as i have a hand. I by no means claim to have played this hand expertly and my betsizing may or may not suck....infact my flop bet is almost certainly too small.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $24.65
Hero (SB): $35.45
BB: $24.90
UTG: $26.50
MP: $24.90
CO: $25.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with ??????
2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.75, 1 fold, CO calls $1.90

Flop: ($5.75) Q 4 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

Turn: ($11.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($11.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero tanks..........
07-05-2008 , 12:02 AM
I think your bet on flop too low out of position. I am betting pot and checking turn.

Jacks
07-05-2008 , 12:36 AM
The obligatory cbet seems to fear a raise on flop and I'll assume it's not because you have AK/Qdd hoping to entice a raise.

When you check twice I know you don't have the flush. But I think you checked turn because 1) you picked up outs except 2) wonder if they're any good. Had you not picked up outs I think you'd be willing to b/f.

Your rvr uncertainty indicates to me you fear both overcards but think you might be able to call, weighing whether an aggro villain is betting one of those two or a worse hand than yours.

If you had a Q you'd bet rvr; I think 99-JJ might be river bets as well (IMM the flush stops villain from raising xQ meaning you may lose to it but still sd plus get value from lesser hands he may call with); xAd/xKd are snap folds; the only hands I hesitate to bet but consider calling are black 66/77.

Last edited by downrange; 07-05-2008 at 12:46 AM.
07-05-2008 , 02:33 AM
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But I think you checked turn because 1) you picked up outs except 2) wonder if they're any good. Had you not picked up outs I think you'd be willing to b/f.
I'd like to hear more about the bolded part from you guys because, to be honest, I dont think ive had good results firing 2nd barrels in this sort of spot. Should i be firing because the flush came in...to say "i has flush" or "Im not scared of that card cos you probably dont have flush"? Also, if the turn blanks...to bet or not to bet?

if the typical villian at this level folded or raised in this hand then i guess thats not terrible but I ask because i hate getting "just called" in this spot....

Last edited by OziBattler; 07-05-2008 at 02:47 AM.
07-05-2008 , 05:53 AM
99/TT/JJ was my immediate guess. Had you not written 'Hero tanks...' on the river then your range would be a lot wider, if you had a Q you'd lead turn or snap river so that really only leaves pairs.
07-05-2008 , 06:48 AM
actually my range is wider.....i tanked because im thinking about how this particular opponent played his hand. I then was thinking whether my hand is a bluff catcher.

I basically find it hard to give him credit for a Q as I'd think he'd bet that on the turn when i check so I probably put him on a pair < Qs possibly with a diamond or a busted decent diamond draw. is this reasonable and if so what is the weakest hand that you'd ever consider calling with to snap one off on the river?
07-05-2008 , 07:17 AM
I'm not calling without a pair, it's tricky to know how much he's floating because your flop bet was really small. I don't think he has much since he'd go for value on the turn if he was strong, I don't think he has nothing either since he raise/called pre and called a cbet. His river vb does look a lot like a value bet, of course you don't know if that's intentional or not.

Probably 99+ I call in a flash, smaller pairs I think about a bit longer.
07-05-2008 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OziBattler
I'd like to hear more about the bolded part from you guys because, to be honest, I dont think ive had good results firing 2nd barrels in this sort of spot. Should i be firing because the flush came in...to say "i has flush" or "Im not scared of that card cos you probably dont have flush"? Also, if the turn blanks...to bet or not to bet?

if the typical villian at this level folded or raised in this hand then i guess thats not terrible but I ask because i hate getting "just called" in this spot....
ttytt I don't know what's right/wrong wrt turn but what I notice is the spot I'm headed for vs a non-passive villain when I chk turn.

Granted villain is unk but starting from a guess I would say his range is fairly wide after flop: xQ, 22+ w/or w/o diamond, diamond A, K, J (like AJo, KJo); he may be planning turn festivities or not but feel I don't know anything about his hand before I'm putting myself in the spot of wondering if I can c-c twice.

w/99-JJ I want to b/f turn because he can't know we don't have Ad/KdQ or a flush ourselves (therefore little-to-0 fe) so think only a 5-card flush raises. If I chk then to him I think it looks like overcards that are giving up and he bets worse hands - and if he does bet, can I really call on Qxxx/3-fl not knowing if this is the first of two I have to call when I may already (ostensibly) be drawing thin/dead? Also by betting turn I think it shows we intend to sd and hopefully keeps him from betting worse hands on the end.

If I had 66 or 77 I'm not so worried about having to make the first call because I may have picked up more ways to win and his range has too many better hands vs these; and besides the fact they may have gotten a little more valuable I otherwise feel these are less showdown capable so probably am only thinking of calling just one bet w/them.

Incidentally, I'm not saying I bet on both turn and river but in my first reply I was responding to you having in fact checked turn. So while I say "bet rvr" in first reply and "bet turn" in this one, I'd probably be checking the river wondering what worse he can call with 3 times.

Last edited by downrange; 07-05-2008 at 09:08 PM.

      
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