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Originally Posted by Thirdman
So I've bee playing online cash limit for a few years now and I play well enough to hold my own, when I venture onto the no-limit micro tables its a different story. I just don't get it, I mean is there something I'm missing here? I raise 3BB and everyone folds, these guys just won't call, in limit they cold call all the time.
See that's the thing I don't like about online limit, I haven't played limit live. People just call, raise, 3 bet until it's capped and it's a crap shoot from there. In limit freerolls it's the worst. Only later on in the tournament does it resemble poker and people actually thinking and FOLDING. In NL freerolls and paid tournies you'll see plenty of action as well as cash games. I'm a NL player and play online and live all the time, mostly cash games. I've been sucked out so many times in limit because of the capped out call/raising every street. I have yet to see everyone check it down on a street, in NL limit at least people check. After the showdown, people would be sitting there with **** for hands like 2,9os, 3,10 suited, maybe some low/mid pocket pair, K,ass, etc. Every single time I keep thinking that if this was no limit this mother****er probably wouldn't have called if I bet enough or raised without having to be capped.
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It seems like no limit is about stealing the blinds or stacking someone on the flop with the nuts, nothing in between, show any strength and everyone folds unless they have a good hand (which is usually better than mine). When I do actually see the flop (which seems a rare occurrence) with like KK and the flop looks blank I go all in (short stacked) and someone calls with a set or 2 pair or they fold -oops. In limit losing a pot doesn't really bother me as I know I can win it back, lose a pot in no limit an it could take hours or days of play to get back (if ever). Also it seems like I can only play hands in late position or I just get bullied out getting raised to the left.
It's not about stealing blinds it's about knowing your hand strength as well as what you think the other person's hand strength is. I had a guy a few days ago get pissed at me during the 1st round of the Pokerstars Big game for calling his raise during pre-flop betting with Q3suited. Something I'd never normally play but he didn't raise that much but after getting a couple of reads on him, I figured he was trying to steal my blind. In limit I guarantee someone would've called/raise to the cap with Q3. Most people would fold that garbage in NL. He was small and I was big. Anyways I wanted to see a flop. In fact and unfortunately for him, he wasn't trying to steal the blinds that time and I flopped a Q high flush draw, he bets I call and hit the flush on the turn. He goes all in and I call against his pocket 6's that tripped on the turn with a 6 diamond giving me a Q high flush. It would've been a donkey move if I didn't have a read on him but this guy was stealing pots more than I liked.
From there on we had similar stacks of around $50-60k and he ended up getting close to $200k. People were kissing his ass with their later comments on his table captaining and he was just shoving all in pre-flop trying to bully. There was no way on earth he was getting good enough hands to shove over $100k so frequently pre-flop and even after the flop, but who wants to play bingo all day when it's Poker? I was playing TAG being very selective with hands, folding stuff like KQ, J10 etc. when I thought necessary. Stuff that donks and fish couldn't imagine folding for lack of poker discipline. He dropped back down to around $50k and I was around the same flip flopping between $50 and $80K. He goes on all in on a later hand with pocket 8's and I had AJos. I was sick of him and said to hell with it and called. He flopped a FH 8's full of J's on the turn I caught another J for quads eliminating him from the Pokerstars Big Game round 1 tourney.
Losing a pot in limit isn't like loosing a pot in NL because if it's big enough it can cripple you.
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Even at the micros limits there is no action, I just don't understand how no limit can be fun to play, are these guys sadists or something, playing tight in limit is tough but playing for hours and never seeing a showdown because you have to fold all the time is like watching paint dry. Am I just supposed to play for hours waiting until a situation arises when I can stack someone with 2pair+?
I don't know where you're playing not to see action in NL but I've seen some decent pots in micro limits. Like .2c/.4c tables I've seen frequent pots of .50c after the flop. By the turn it's well over $1 up to $3. On .5c/.10 most people have around $2-20 and people with $2 get up to around $10 after a several of pots.
I've went into .10c/.25 tables with only $5 and left after 10 minutes with over $20.
Last edited by Will Gotti; 08-29-2010 at 09:10 AM.