Dwetzel and Vix as the wagons?

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it is 1 am

To my credit, (hey, I have to save some face here, lol) I've don't think I've ever played a game that went through the weekend. The other games were only thirteen people and I think they were shortened. I don't know!

I'm leaving now but it should be a short night for me, so I plan on actually doing some reading when I return, so hopefully there are some people around tonight who have the intention of solving this game.

Historically, I'm effective either early in games or late in games, but very rarely in the middle (I could explain this but see no reason to)

We're definitely at the POE stage so that's what I intend to do.

I'm done, I'll be back in the morning.

Votes from post 4521 to post 4681
Night in 22:50:33
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
6	DWetzel	vixticator (5), Steve Yzerman fan (6), ReddBoiler (18), tylertwo (23), tmleafs1967 (9), Willi (30)
3	vixticator	tappokone (19), DWetzel (3), Telcontar (10)
1	tappokone	CalledDownLight (2)
1	tylertwo	Luckbox Inc (12)
1	not voting	well named (13)

there was a vote count with dwetzel and you at 5-4

You said hello. You voted dwetzel

Yesterday you made cases on perdition and willi

So it looked a little odd. I say "self-preservation" somewhat sarcastically but what was it?

Confidence in my reads is nonexistent right now.

My case on Perdition was wrong. I thought it was strong at the time. I haven't reread anything in light of the new information yet. Will get to that tonight. I need to reeval my cases on the others. Continuing to push through after alarming amount of wrongness is a leak and until I feel confident I ain't gonna do it.

I mean, I totally get that

but it doesn't really explain the dwetzel vote.

Looking back at eod, all this needs to be explained:

TWTBAW?

I don't really think flailing around at EOD is wolfy at this stage of the game. Maybe that's a self-serving perspective but I think wolves should have a pretty good idea right now who the target mislynches are, and have had time to talk about it. The lynchable players are well defined and the task for wolves is well defined. Making a ton of votes like that doesn't serve any purpose for a wolf. It's not level-0 wolfy as far as I can see

Cute.

What is so mysterious about it?

Who 'should' I have voted for there?

Here is why I voted for him:

lol?

Such a terrible post following EOD.

what's terrible about it?

I am not saying you "should" have done anything btw, it just seemed unexpected to me given your past reads

Wolves don't just decide to all vote together barring unusual circumstances. What are we trying to accomplish, exactly? Outing ourselves? You need to read the posts, voting records are only going to get you so far. That'd literally be WOAT strategy in such a long game. Also, Quarr didn't even vote for gambit so like when did we devise this elite plan to pool our votes exactly?

While we are on the topic of voting records, how about you explain why you have been on the wrong side of every key vote/wagon?

Votes from post 4521 to post 4692
Night in 22:00:55
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
6	DWetzel	vixticator (9), Steve Yzerman fan (6), ReddBoiler (20), tylertwo (23), tmleafs1967 (9), Willi (30)
3	vixticator	tappokone (19), DWetzel (3), Telcontar (10)
1	tappokone	CalledDownLight (2)
1	tylertwo	Luckbox Inc (12)
1	not voting	well named (17)

far be it from me to defend vix right now, but the d1 wagons were pretty key. I mean we lynched a wolf in a flip, as a late CFD. So at the least you need to revise your statement. He wasn't on the wrong side of every key vote

I am CAPABLE of doing what I've done in this game, which apparently is not much, as a wolf. This isn't a read, it's I don't know what it is, nothing. If he's genuinely reading me as a wolf the language is... bizarre. He said "Vix is a wolf, here is why" and then explained it is because other players think I'm a wolf and I'm capable of being a wolf itg. At no point is there a read there.

of the day. Do you remember how insanity told CDL he was the godfather a little while before he got lynched. He was voting steve when he posted this.

Feel free to laugh at this but if steve is a wolf he probably is the elevator bomb :P

D2 - Vixticator is on Quarrr/Dwetzel all day until 8:00 pm when he comes off and votes Kruze.


Well Named is on Charry all day until 7:55 PM when he comes off and votes Kruze over Dwetzel.

I can make a better case on myself, it isn't hard.

Vix is a wolf, here is why:

(A) When he voted for gambit it wasn't given that gambit would be lynched. In fact, it went to a flip. He could have placed that vote for credit later. The only reason gambit was lynched is Perdition's last second vote.

(B) Led a wagon against Perdition even though his vote was super clearing.

(C) I don't buy the insanity read, looks like an excuse not to lynch his partner.

There you go.

Wolf case on myself.

Come at me wolves.

I thought you found Dwetzel wolfy? Why didnt you vote him yesterday?

vixticator
dwetzel
SYF
tappokone

3/4 of this list is wolves. I'm very confident about this now. I don't see how it can be wrong. I'm hard clearing everyone else. We're wagoning two of them right now but the annoying thing for me is they are the two I'm the least certain of :P

I don't think anyone else should be lynched today anyway

I was all set to lynch vixticator over dwetzel but there's a few things in his current posting that strike me as villagery

1. he said earlier he felt like giving up. Given the game situation that strikes me as far more the emotional state of a villager than a wolf. It's believable

2. The last post where he makes a case on himself. I think that post is villagery.

3. I'm reading d2 and I think tappokone and SYF are like lock wolves. SYF starts out the day with a perfect villager list. I even kind of jumped on him about it at the time because I was like where the hell did he come from and how did he put together this list? I let it go a bit because he did explain it reasonably well but I'm still about it. It seems too pat. With tappo it's stuff like this:

Just the timing feels too reactionary, especially when earlier his thought on insanity was that he didn't seem as villagery as usual.