Not yet, I'm afraid; haven't had time, and my mind is mostly elsewhere at the moment. That's why I'm only responding to what's going on right now -- I haven't gone back yet. I do intend to do it before the server is shut down (3 a.m. server time).

So at this point I really have nothing on nich, except that he say he claimed vanillager d1 (which I completely missed or ignored). TBH it may well be true, but I think that would be an accident -- that sort of claim at the beginning of the ga,e just doesn't mean much as far as I'm concerned.

Re bram -- He was peeked good (note that I believe stephen). Godfather? Maybe, and it's consistent with his being afk so much (a good player who's likely to be alive for a while has a better chance of being peeked than one who's the center of controversy. I just haven't gotten any sense of wolfiness from him. Again, I have to go reread, but that's my take at this point.

Wow The Bram IS definitely playing an utr game there is no doubt of that... Does he normally play utr?

His voting record is terrible too; in fact EVERY ONE of his votes and suspects is wrong. I don't think a villager could be that innacurate.

Rd1 - Votes 6-4, says VR is good, says Zeturd is BG (OK he did say he didn't like Mithras)

Rd 2 - Votes AaronK

Rd 3 - Votes Bucky (whoops got that right but a wolf would right bucky appears vil to him)

Rd 4 - Votes OH

I think the above-bolded part is really bad way to look for wolves in the early portion of a game this big.

And I say that as someone who has been just as wrong, for the record.

We're down to 50% players gone. Definitely mid-game. It is a pretty amazing coincidence but each one on its own is explainable; but all of them together I mean shouldn't that be kind of rare for a blind villager?

Maybe, maybe not. But it is a terrible way to look for the godfather (and I say that as someone who's been in only three long games, but it seems pretty obvious to me.)

LOL I have been too! I got everything wrong. It was the first game I ever played.

Ok the last question would be then:

Does TheBram normally play an utr game?

Assuming that there are roughly 2 villagers for every non-village role, if you randomly picked a player, you would pick a villager all 3 nights roughly 30% of the time, right? 2*2*2 over 3*3*3. Given that 2 wolves died early, and the ability of the wolves to drive a lynch, I don't think it is rare at all.

Note I am not counting buckys lynch. Becuase no matter what role you are talking about, it was a "right" lynch.

atak,

my win conditions are as stated. My thinking was that if I could get the village on the track to a win, I could then convert a really clear villager into a wolf. That situation probably leads to the new secret wolf making it to the final 3 and all the other wolves dying.

Whether you believe I'm benevolent or not, it's hardly in your interests to lynch me, because that brings you closer to losing the game. I would be clinically insane to switch a villager at this point, so I won't.

Oh, other key things is that there is a godfather, so keep that in mind. If you have any doubt, reread some of the earlier stuff with Nez. I'm sure I come across as fairly neutral. There was some quote from epi where he categorized something I said as "either extremely wolfy or extremely villagery," which made me lol. That might come across in rereading.

The math makes sense to me.

I think Dustin knows about Bram's standard game.

Ok so let me get this straight -- you're saying that the villager you convert would OUT the other wolves by name and the village would win?

If the above is allowed count me as a conversion volunteer.

Why does lynching you bring us closer to losing? It seems you can only hurt the village if we let you hang around, and go on a wolf-killing roll. Especially since you are not holding us hostage to ensure your own survival.

Why does your interaction with nez prove there is a godfather?

Btw if the "wolf covert outing" scenario is allowed that means the wolves will be eating Bobman tonight so I'm assuming that if he converts a villager tonight that it will go through but we will miss the chance after that because he will be dead.

Any villager who does this should compel VR or durron or Jared to break out the banhammer pronto. IMO.

So no this is not what he is suggesting at all.

Ok so against the spirit of the game.

So it looks like we have to lynch him then.

It must be too late, cause I can't follow this logic at all. But the wolves will never ever eat Bob. Again, bob gets ONE conversion, and it is from village to wolf.

Right or Wolf to village (and bob lives). My statement you quoted only makes sense if the converted wolf is allowed to out the other wolves.

As much as I have a feeling our thought processes in coming to this conclusion are from different worlds, I agree with you.

Bobman.

I think we're on the same page as is Atak. We all see how he can't come up with a scenario (legally) where he is helping the village. In fact, even claiming has hurt the village (we have to waste a round to lynch him).

Bobman

Bob,

So I have peace of mind, you are saying any attempted conversion of a wolf would fail, correct?

Reyth, please try reading a little bit more slowly. Or how about a lot more slowly.

Errf I had it reversed briefly -- OK I see your confusion.

LOL had somebody screaming at me here r/l -- was trying to follow everything despite it