zeturd needs to be pressured from the start today so his wagon has a better shot at moving (had square wheels yesterday)

wolves:
zeturd
roundtower
river
dustin

wolfy:
clown
luckay

not-vanillager:
dan

villagers:
monk
bobman
well named
villagery:
boiler
dmk
swiitch
wl

unknown:
aard
ack
sun (either vanillager or wolf)


this game is already over

if aard and I are unknown, maybe we deserve some attention at night from some pro-village forces, if ya know what i mean.

love the 'so sigh' part at the end after saying he is only voting me because he dislikes m1ke and hitch wagons, even tho he wants to go more after UTR people and he kinda likes my latest posts

the 'so sigh' part is because he's saying that he has no other options but to go with one of those 3 wagons


this is after i asked him to go onto dustin wagon...zeturd knows dustin almost always claims power role, so yet again another lame excuse for his vote...and he knows that i am simply trying to get him to commit to vote for someone because he thinks that person is a wolf, not because he 'dislikes the current wagons', yet he throws out the disingenous 'sneaking feeling that you're on the block with a fellow wolf and want to restructure the wagons entirely'

(btw, now that m1ke/hitch came up villa, i guess that 'theory' (which u never actually believed in anyway) was false)


translation: "you caught me, don't tell anyone"



zeturd/dustin wagons today would be lovely

ok, u have moved to the wolfy list

all ur posts have been about the movie, or how u are unlynchable as wolf, or to 'berate villager for lynching noob d1' and now this

thanks for clearing that up

btw, zeturd...how exactly am i being unreasonable?

u showed that u obv didn't like the current wagons so picked 'the lesser of three bad choices' so i actively worked to get another wagon that u could agree on going...u resisted that completely and so i moved u further and further up the wolf list...there was nothing unreasonable about what i did...i simply tested your claim that you didn't like the wagons and pressured u about it...the results of the test showed that u were faking the 'so sigh' and that u weren't really interested in any other wagons

if u go ahead and resign now, we can do a 2-in-1 day today and u will also avoid spewing any partners

Glad to be of service. Please drive through.

Warning: The following is a Level 4 post. It is EXACTLY level 4. I counted the number of levels I was going above level 1. Tip to help people: Level 1 and Level 2 are complete opposites of thinking. Levels 3 and Level 4 are complete opposites of thinking.

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This is such a shady view list. You're pretty much just viewing the people who look clear due to Vaya's modkill! Why wouldn't you view people who are more clear? For example, why not view HBE and White Lightning as villagers instead?

Are you a wolf for trying to fake a Sun Tzu view when we all know you wouldn't view the obvious vanillager? Surely you're not a seer because that is a terrible view, and surely you're not a villager trying to cover for the seer because it is obvious you would never view that person.

This is clown's wolf game imo. I'm leaving my vote on him.

I will not likely wake up before night. good luck finding Jack Nicholson. If all else fails, lynch clown.

We have to assume Antidan, Well named, and Dustin aren't vanillagers.

That sort of means we'll start lynching them...hmmm...tomorrow.

* vote clowntable *

i completely agree with u here...that post IS clown's wolf game and a decent % of why he is on the wolfy list

im here for a short minute

ROLECLAIM:

I am *NOT* a vanillager.

I am also *NOT* allowed to roleclaim my role. I am however allowed to roleclaim not being allowed to roleclaim. You can take of this what you will as im sure you'll do.

Just from the brief skimming I've done i don't like the Clown votes, but as I said earlier killing clown is usually fun and correct so w/e

when i wake up (which will be before night) i'll have more

The way yesterday went, I'm not sure I want to put a vote on someone early when I know I won't be around, but if I do it's going to be ZeTurd or clowntable I think.

I can't really put my finger on it, but I'm not entirely convinced ZT is evil here. I think ZT/nich could be v/v. Still, I don't have any better lynch candidates other than maybe clown.

I read some other boiler games and I no longer want to lynch him, his game looks like his standard. BPM is not a seer, unless he's like double-pump-fake fake-seering-as-real-seer. But he's probably still villa either way.

The only thing that worries me about nich is that his list seems a little [i]too[i] correct to me, although I guess I think, at the least, Sun was a villager yesterday.

Luckay: for the record, I started the game as a vanillager, and I still am.

Dan is pretty clearly some kind of power role, but I think pro-village almost certainly.

Ackbleh is some kind of power role with some weird night related win condition and a backup pro-village win condition?

River and dustin are also probably not vanillager but not sure yet as to alignment.

Have a good day village, sorry for being a jerk to m1ke

for you this is wolfy i think btw but im not sure why

This really isn't that hard to figure out. What it all boils down, is that your balls are sore because I picked you as my #1 wolf candidate after a very specific Hitch post made me turn around on him:

I simply don't think it's in Hitch's repertoire to make a "reverse angleshooty" post earlier (referencing Vaya's first post as a wolf, indicating knowledge of PM contents) and then proceed to defend himself in that way.

This was obviously before he claimed seer.

I was pretty clear on why I didn't like the m1ke wagon, so I picked one of the UTR's, namely you. Admittedly there wasn't that much to go on, since at the time I voted you I'd only seen 3-4 posts or something like that from you. The funny thing is that your over-the-top aggression about being voted made me like the vote even better. Your ENTIRE CASE is that you're upset that I wouldn't switch my vote off of you, and that you'd vote that person with me. Now, why the hell would I do that if I think my vote is in a good place?

No! What I was resisting was moving my vote off of you, and the sigh was in reference to Hitch/m1ke wagons. It's ridiculous to expect that I'll switch to a wagon with you if I think you're a wolf at the time. I still really don't get the defensiveness you're exhibiting, but I also really don't think a wolf would be so gung-ho about going after a villager, and the deaths of Hitch and m1ke discredits the longshot chance that you were going after me because it was at the very least w/w/v wagons. So I'm actually pretty good with you being a villager now. Unfortunately I might add.

OK, just for reference here, please read the last game (Spanish Inquisition) and notice the way nich goes after Hitch. It was villager/villager then too. Or well, at least until nich got converted, but then he started backing off.

There's weirdness both ways, it seems to me. Why do wolves choose HBE for the first night kill, when he's almost certainly vanillager? This early, they should be seer hunting, not trying to get rid of cleared players. It seems like there were a lot of better candidates as far as likelihood of having some pro-village power role. I don't know how to explain this. It's possible there is some role that deflects NKs, I guess, as one explanation, but that's a pretty hard conclusion to reach on so little info.

Oh, this old dance again!

I don't know about your description about my day, but I think it's when I get too clear and concise you need to start worrying, heh. I always hop around to a certain degree as a villager. In fact, I think it's pretty damned good work on my part to get away from Hitch, and then later away from nich. Whether I landed in a good place (you) remains to be seen. I really don't think me voting you should elicit that amount of surprise since you didn't really do much at all on D1.

this is not true

u even ASKED me SPECIFICALLY why i didn't like ur vote for me: if it was because it was on ME or because of the ARGUMENT

i answered that it was because of the ARGUMENT yet you go on...why even ask then?

and my ACTIONS show that it was because of that, as I spent most of the rest of the day trying to see if you would move to a candidate u thought was a wolf instead of the 'oh well, golly gee, guess if i have to pick from these 2 people, then i'll pick him' attitude that you displayed

OK, just for the record, speculating about which villagers are power villagers and what their eventual powers might be isn't really a good idea. Let the wolves figure it out themselves.

how was i defensive? i was aggressive and offensive in going after you, not defensive

anyone that people are posting as 'power roles' or 'non-vanillagers' are clearly that to everyone, so wolves also know this read, so discussing it doesn't help the wolves (as they know whether the person is a wolf or not), but it could help village in determining if the person is power villager or wolf

But see, there's an inherent flaw in your argument here. I did move my vote away from one of the two aforementioned candidates (Hitch/m1ke). And yeah, I didn't have that much to go on, but the incredible amount of defensiveness shown by you actually made me like where my vote was. So why would I change, and especially at your say-so?

There are borderline cases, and I think WN mentioned one of them. But mostly it's speculating about what their powers are.

Eg. "I think X is the seer. What do you say guys?"