I'm willing to support pretty much all of this

I'm also willing to support a suspension length that is somewhat longer then this

Perma-ban doesn't seem quite justified to me. Or, perhaps it would be better to say that a perma-ban would be justified except that given the fact that we have only recently been really formally (and visibly) enforcing some of the rules via suspensions., the jump from 2 weeks to complete forum perma-ban for the kinds of problems magic has been creating seems too harsh to me, but at the same time I do think it should be made clear that it needs to stop and that there is no further rope. To a certain extent that discontinuity is what disinclines me from the "body of work" argument.

Although that said, that's just my opinion and the main reason I suggested the WW Court on this is because while I don't think any single magic_gazz issue really clearly warrants a forum perma-ban, the issues are the kind where it makes sense to me that the community should have some say in what it thinks is right. If the community thinks collectively that a perma ban is right, then I don't really actively oppose it.

But my personal belief from my interactions with magic is that he isn't ill-meaning at all, he took his suspension without complaint, responded well to what I told him about what the problem was, and every indication I've seen is that with the proper amount of public shaming and beatings, he can survive as a non-problem causing werewolf player in POG. I understand not everyone is as optimistic as I am. I've also enjoyed playing with him in several games where there were not issues, I know he has it in him

edit: I didn't mean to post this after the lock but woo posting in closed threads

Its ok, so did I. Apparently courts nowdays start without the accused.

I was not going to say anything about this whole mess, but im still pretty upset about it.

Can someone please tell me why one little girl with a bee in her bonnet can bend people around her finger? Why does she have the power to demand mods do IP searches on people?

Not much, just having a massive tilt after comming back from a punishment to find that people are demanding more punishment.

Apparently justice has not been served.

ftr, it starts without every mod knowing apparently

Hehe, seems like you might have to read some of it, moderator.

hope for the lynching also be done without the accused

FTR, I think you should get permad or year-banned from WW but you should be allowed to speak first. :P

Well at least im in good company.

This is true, you will have at least 2 PM's about it. Fun times for you im sure.

that's what I'm not looking forward to

I actually only have 2 PMs about it, and no post reports, so maybe people weren't as mad as it seems

Too late, im here now and I always fight my lynch. Well almost always

Lol, so I can have a say but it makes no difference, sounds reasonable.

lol, sham trial!

I disagree, he was punished for previous offenses and in terms of new stuff that's come to light he didn't actually do *that* much wrong (hate the game not the playa, I think it will be good for POG if some rules are changed/'clarified'). I think a short ww ban and entry into the grievances thread would be sufficient because that's probably what would've happened if numbers was an outed gimmick.

I think this is something that most people are missing. Punishment was given and served.

Im pretty sure having real life stuff that makes you miss a day of a game should not be a banable offence.

Is it any surprise I made a gimmick? Look at the negativity associated with my name. I wanted a fresh start and unfortunatly due to things not under my control that didnt get to happen.

want fresh start?

do exact same thing people hate you for in the first place and deny its you!

Well I actually only quit 1 game, so get your facts straight.

You hide behind your screen and call me names all you like, you would never dare in real life.

Except I didnt.

You obviously have some sort of problem that you seem to want to ignore the facts.

I'm sorry but no. Everytime something happens, he is discussed and its very clear from his defence that he just doesn't care about

1) the rules
2) his teammates.

And he has been given several chances. He can't use the "people make mistakes" defence anymore. He just isn't fit for playing ww; it's irresponsible as a mod to allow him to play. You are taking a huge risk of of ruining several peoples hard work in the game.

In a vacuum, I don't think

* conceding as a wolf without talking to your teammates (not asking for sub)
* conceding as a wolf, spewing several villagers without talking to your teammates (not asking for sub)
* spewing yourself villager by making a thread about an issue in an ongoing game
* vanishing from a f7/f5 without asking for sub (I haven't really looked into how gay the gimmicky thing was)

and so on (there are more) is ban-worthy, but the body of work and his attitude - essentially, go **** yourself you are not a mod wolves were losing anyways thingie - makes it enough.

Also, in every post-game discussion, he lies and doesn't acknowledge his wrongdoings. You have quit more than one game.

please tell me more about how you dont give up as a wolf whenever the **** you feel like, ignore the ita rules, and then when called out on your behavior take it out on everyone else

Ok.

As far as I can see, the fact he played on a gimmick is not at all punishable and shouldn't be in the discussion, unless the Game Mod specifically said that gimmicks were prohibited, in which case that is separate but it doesn't look like that's the case so it's a non point.

I also think that if we start punishing people for not posting for a day then we start punishing a lot of people, so that's not something I'm concerned with.

What I'm concerned with is the quitting/sabotaging. That was and has been dealt with in the fouls thread. The thread is a new thing, we cannot expect it to work instantly.

I would be open to increasing his current suspension because of the (apparently) similar behavior of the numbers gimmick, with a clause that if in the next period of six months after his suspension is lifted he acts in a purposefully negative way to his team again then he gets a longer two/three month ban, and then a perma ban after that if he still doesn't change his ways.

I don't think this thread was warranted, and I think that some people calling for a lynch mob on his is not deserved.

If any poster believes that someone is multiaccounting under any sort of guise, you can always PM gtpitch for an IP Check. It's better to be safe than sorry. This is not an excuse to PM gtpitch for an IP check on people who refuse to out their gimmick accounts in the game, as long as they out themselves to the game mod then it's currently not against the rules.

magic_gazz

I do not agree with a lot of people wanting you dead and banned

But your ww record is less than exemplary

So as a matter of fact, I would prefer not to see you on a player list in any game I play or mod for quite some time until you have shown an improvement in your style of play

Which I will leave to the mods to decide.

magic

at least apologize for lying to the mods about being a n00b

have some dignity

as far as lying in the game, i think it's the lowest of the lows, and i've petitioned to make it illegal for years; but i was told i was being unreasonable.

so you shouldn't be punished for lying in the game. if what you did u would have been punished again as magic, you should. and the rule should be changed to what i have asked to to for years

then we can have rainbows and unicorns

And, if I'm not mistaken, this was a primary reason for the push for a WW "bitch" thread.

People like to bitch, and it's going to happen somewhere. Might as well be a containment thread and not the PUB.