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08-22-2016 , 03:10 PM

#11451

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

...DWetz?

I've played with Kawa in like 50 turbos?

Dwetz plays what? once in a blue moon?

My point is, everyone who actually plays turbos often is fine with Kawa. She and SIU help turbos run all the time, and make games very fun.

The occasional risky play doesn't work from Kawamii and it creates a salt fest sometimes, but that's all, and that's how it should stay.

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08-22-2016 , 03:14 PM

#11452

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This reminds me of when I tunneled Mexi/Monstr/Benneh really hard, people didn't want to play with me again, and told me privately that they'd not signup for a game I was in, and boycott me from games that they'd already signed up for.

I stopped doing to that extent because I was getting so much **** for my style of wolf hunting, but I wish I hadn't.

I respect Kawamii for doing what she determines the best play is.

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08-22-2016 , 03:16 PM

#11453

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You've played in 60 turbos ever on this site

I've played in 52 (and 47 of those are since last summer)

Let me know if you sincerely believe that the number of turbos required to comment on this matter is between 52 and 60, otherwise kindly GTFO with this line of thought

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08-22-2016 , 03:17 PM

#11454

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I hate Kawa's style, I'd never play like that personally

but to call it sabotage and say it should be banned, what a joke

This is a game, get over your petty feelings. People shouldn't conform to you because you dislike it.

Leaving the thread now, just want to let the mods know my POV

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08-22-2016 , 03:19 PM

#11455

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

also, to the extent that people would otherwise play turbos and don't because of behavior like this, those people's voices would be pretty damn relevant

also, this

I have, on various occasions, seen a turbo and thought to myself "hmm, I'm kind of in the mood to turbo, do I really want to put myself through that" and answered to myself in the negative.

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08-22-2016 , 03:24 PM

#11456

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

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08-22-2016 , 03:25 PM

#11457

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I would say something, but I am not in mood to argue with kawa and baudib.

I know Digger is another one (or at least he posted about that year ago) who did not enjoy playing with Kawa (and SIU).

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08-22-2016 , 03:26 PM

#11458

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Benj, if you happen to see this post, I'd be interested in an answer to the following question:

what circumstances do you envision where someone would self-vote as a villager in an effort to help their team win?

like, DWetz provided one example, and you said that example was bad behavior but that it wasn't representative

and you're opposed to banning self-voting as a villager because you think people could be doing it to try and help their team

so...lay it on me. how and under what circumstances would self-voting as a villager be part of a legitimate strategy to increase the village win equity?

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08-22-2016 , 03:29 PM

#11459

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Maybe what's killing PoG is this attack on people who play a different way. Who knows? Making people play the PoG way and trying to ban anything else seems alienating doesn't it? Trying to kill one of the most active turbo players, seems -ev to PoG

maybe just maybe

As someone who had to face this head on, it will make you quit forum WW. I'm glad a select few of nice people on this forum helped me out, it's the only reason I stuck around.

but even to this day I'm scared to signup for games, I can't play the game the way I did, the hate is too much

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08-22-2016 , 03:34 PM

#11460

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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO

you realize that literally the only behavior at issue right here is someone self-voting as a villager, right?

nobody is trying to ban different styles of play

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08-22-2016 , 03:38 PM

#11461

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

you realize that literally the only behavior at issue right here is someone self-voting as a villager, right?

nobody is trying to ban different styles of play

You have no foresight if you can't understand that this is more than that.

People want to BAN something that allows players to do something other than normal. This leads to everyone complaining and wanting to ban whatever they deem to be something they wouldn't do.

Turbos are supposed to be fun correct? Well good job on making them less so

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08-22-2016 , 03:39 PM

#11462

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Benjamin,

Spare me the slippery slope argument, because it isn't true and it's AIDS. We're talking about a specific behavior that nobody in good faith can believe is a genuine attempt to win the game for their team.

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08-22-2016 , 03:40 PM

#11463

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

you realize that literally the only behavior at issue right here is someone self-voting as a villager, right?

nobody is trying to ban different styles of play

This is exactly what's happening, you should know better

if this gets banned, the next time Kawamii makes a play like she did last night, we will be on this thread again talking about the same ****

Leaving now, useless talking here

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08-22-2016 , 03:41 PM

#11464

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She's done it, and has a very high rate of winning that way.

So yes, please keep telling me that it's -ev

lmao

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08-22-2016 , 03:44 PM

#11465

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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO

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lol c'mon

hey, if someone wanted to copy and paste their own role PM in the thread, why should they be prevented from doing so?

aren't we tamping down on the way someone chooses to play the game by disallowing that? they just want to help their team win

(there's actually a MUCH more logical argument for allowing copy and pasting of role PMs in the thread than allowing people to be voting themselves at EOD as villagers, since the first one advances your team's wincon, and the second does not)

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08-22-2016 , 03:45 PM

#11466

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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO

She's done it, and has a very high rate of winning that way.

So yes, please keep telling me that it's -ev

lmao

please answer my post above

in what circumstances does self-voting as a villager in a turbo constitute a legitimate strategy to help your team win?

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08-22-2016 , 03:45 PM

#11467

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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO

She's done it, and has a very high rate of winning that way.

So yes, please keep telling me that it's -ev

lmao

It does not mean she could have even higher winrate without selfvoting.

I know it small sample size, but one of the reasons she might have so good winrate is working well together with SIU (as I said small sample size, but she has almost 15% better winrate in turbos with SIU vs turbos without SIU).

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08-22-2016 , 03:45 PM

#11468

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There is one or two specific situations where self voting as a villager is the correct play

But they don't happen too often and I don't know if bemj has been in a game where it had happened.

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08-22-2016 , 03:45 PM

#11469

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Originally Posted by Willi

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08-22-2016 , 03:46 PM

#11470

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This thread has become the "People Who Don't Play Werewolf Complain About People Who Do LC Thread."

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08-22-2016 , 03:47 PM

#11471

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Originally Posted by baudib1

This thread has become the "People Who Don't Play Werewolf Complain About People Who Do LC Thread."

...i'm not seeing that at all tbh

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08-22-2016 , 03:49 PM

#11472

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Originally Posted by baudib1

This thread has become the "People Who Don't Play Werewolf Complain About People Who Do LC Thread."

have you considered that complaints about the way games are currently played is the reason some people don't play werewolf?

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08-22-2016 , 03:52 PM

#11473

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

have you considered that complaints about the way games are currently played is the reason some people don't play werewolf?

yeah, but who cares?

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08-22-2016 , 03:54 PM

#11474

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

have you considered that complaints about the way games are currently played is the reason some people don't play werewolf?

Why not bring it up privately and tell the person that they are being oppressive and several people aren't playing because of this?

Why bring it up publicly and sit here trying to get things banned?

Someone informed me nicely, they also told me certain people here get so butthurt and that I needed to not push them or they will over react and threaten to leave.

I stopped doing certain things because I wanted to be apart of this, so does Kawamii. Doing things like this thread has hurts much more than Kawa's play imo

I still don't believe that there's this hidden cult of people that would play a bunch of turbos, but don't solely due to Kawa.

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08-22-2016 , 03:56 PM

#11475

Kaze13

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

also, to the extent that people would otherwise play turbos and don't because of behavior like this, those people's voices would be pretty damn relevant

i have no ****ing idea if they exist, so don't ask

but you saying that the only people that matter here are the ones in the turbos is facially untrue

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