TL that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about numerous conversations I had during that time about this specific issue, following by endless posts re: same.

EDIT: The reasons I wasn't made a mod are very obvious and also have nothing to do with this thread. However, if you feel like confirming what I've already been told, feel free to PM me.

bsball is right about everything he said itt

ah alright, misunderstood

I disagree.

There are certain players who can be legitimately halfway ruled, but the list is really, really short.

It also shouldn't be applied in a vacuum. If people are being NKed who have been lolobvious or peeked villas, or have been PRs, then the halfway rule shouldn't necessarily be applied, just because strong player A is still alive.

wrong on both counts

This is correct.

Halfway rule should just never ever be uttered in a mish mash

It should really only be used in very very rare situations

We're all puppets and Systolic is the puppet master.

Systo, based on what you have posted here, you're no longer allowed in any games I run.

re: halfway rule, as someone against whom it is often mentioned as a reason to lynch me, I think I've actually seen that happen like one time

EDIT: The point not being that I'm AWESOME YO, but instead that for all the press it gets, the "halfway rule" basically never gets applied.

EDIT2: And swiitch is absolutely right that high value NKs having been made before halfway makes the "halfway rule" really dumb in that scenario

Seeing Swiitch post made me ponder about maybe writing an article about clearing yourself as a villager which I think I've done pretty succesfully throughout my ww career. But maybe Swiitch or someone else (I can think of a couple of people) wants to write that article.

the halfway rule is stupid

is it a good idea to consider why certain players are alive at later stages of a game?

of course

rules can never replace thinking

no offense to swiitch but the way he clears himself as a villager is mostly by getting lynched by d2 every time he's a wolf

was going to say the same thing

The rule only exists to be applied in a vacuum. If you're lynching people for actual reasons, then you're not using some stupid "rule" as your justification.

As somebody who gets misread quite a bit, I have a quick 2 cents on clearing yourself:

-Make an effort
-Play well

It's either that or get seer peeked or draw a NK before you can get mislynched. Other than that, once your wolf game is at a certain level it's really hard to get people to clear you on tone. Pretty much any time I'm under pressure I can't say anything that can help me, because everything I could say people would also imagine being in my wolf range, so all I can do is feed people's confirmation bias.

FWIW a pleasant side effect of not bussing is that when I hard push a wolf as a villager, I can normally get people to clear me for it. If I didn't have that meta, getting people to ever clear me would be pretty f'n hard, as I'm sure Hoya can attest.

Um, OK.

Reality is you don't need to be clear, you just need to not be lynched.

I think there is far too much noise in this thread for it to be a good value down the road.

I'd rather him not...

Agree, but even in a mish mash, it can be uttered, but should probably be applied less than 1% of the time.

It'll be fine. I'm sure krayz will be able to help people improve this aspect of their games a lot; after all, it not like it's being done well by too many people right now.

lol

This is probably the most true statement ever.

If I'm not a lolobvious wolf, I'm a villager. I think people usually say the opposite, but this is really it. I'm not always on my A villager game, but I don't even have an A, B or even C wolf game.

Anyway, I think you can argue that my perspective on seer protection as a vanillager is strongly colored by my own meta — what is best for me to do is not what is best for most players to do, and I may not be fully cognizant of the exact differences.

This isn't fully true as a villager. There are a number of upsides to being clear in everyone's eyes

1) Once people are comfortable writing you in as a villager and using pen, it gives them one less possible wolf to worry about. They can focus on finding the real wolves
2) It makes it harder for wolves to pitch false realities to the village. The more possible wolf teams in the eyes of the village, the easier it is to wolf.
3) Sometimes I might have a really good point to make, but if one person is erroneously convinced that I'm a wolf, not only will they not be receptive to my ideas but they might read it as pre-emptive spew.

All that matters as a wolf is not getting lynched. As a villager, the more obvious you are the better.

This is true, I guess the way I apply the halfway rule is to look and see who 'should be' dead by a certain point in the game and if they aren't dead, figure out why. So I guess even I don't apply the halfway rule in a vacuum.

So basically, just disregard my previous posts