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01-09-2013 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
i am not refering to conservatist in your political anti gay way

i am refering to conservatist as pogger who like how things in pog was before and things should never change and maybee it could be 06/07 forever.

dont know what his sexuality has to do with anything
Ah okay.

I just like what works, Birdie. It's not broke so don't fix it? I'm a conservative as far as that goes.
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01-09-2013 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
A mod who is...rude to players who ask them for reasonable things is not really running things without a hitch...he was a prick about it.
Please tell me exactly what words I used to you that were rude in response to your request so that I can apologize for them.
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01-09-2013 , 05:23 AM
Starrazz is the new and improved BAIDS
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01-09-2013 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
I think this is pretty unfair.

He didn't run his game without hitch. I asked him to post the reveal in text too. I was unaware he had to be forced to do it. A mod who is not only not responsive, but also rude to players who ask them for reasonable things is not really running things without a hitch. And tbh, on reflection, I have some sympathy for the mods as far as it goes because he was a prick about it.

Not that Well Named should be a mod. I agree that he was out of order and not for the first time. None of the mods involved behaved very well, but that's nothing new.

But this is nothing to do with that, except that some of the cast of characters are the same. And in fact, the principle is the same: one person thinks he's bravely pushing the limits that others are quite happy with.

I don't want everyone posting videos because they suck, and they suck double when they're posted as a way to clear yourself when you're on the block. They suck in the same way that posting links to spreadsheets that you've clearly done a lot of work on sucks. They suck pretty much as badly as me PMing you to tell you I'm a villager when I'm in a game.

And even you are going to think it sucks when I start posting peeks in hour-long mixtapes so wolves cannot find them but villagers can when I'm killed. And I think you'll hate it when I make Facebook pages saying I'm a villager, post analysis of games on blogs so that you know I have to be a villager and hold phone conferences with cleared villagers so that I can try to convince them I'm on their side.
Agree with most of this. But like my main point is that even if starrazz screwed up, which to me went totally unnoticed the entire game, banning him from modding is just somthing of a revenge and a total overreaction.

If he his a bad mod, his games wouldnt fill, they do. When they no longer dont I will agree, and not even then will a ban from modding be necesarry.

As for vids, I think its a fun thing, I dont think they bring anything of value other then for spicey affect. I still dont want them banned and i dont see why you would need to restrict them in anyway because that will take care of itself, no one wants people to post 60min vids,

Like in my mind people in the game will "force" people to post content that is comprihensible.
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01-09-2013 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
Starrazz is the new and improved BAIDS
What does BAIDS mean?
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01-09-2013 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
This policy seems fine but that's never actually happened that I know of, so taking the time to write a policy and put it in the rules just seems unnecessary. The rules are long enough already and I've tried to limit it only to things that noobs really need to know to avoid ****ing up a game in progress, plus a warning on behavior. Other forum policy issues don't really need to be hashed out in the stickies.
This happened as late as in December.
If you want the full story, I'll PM you.

It obvious didn't happened against me.
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01-09-2013 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
What does BAIDS mean?
it is somebody on this forum
Who caused mayhem in POG with this thread
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01-09-2013 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
pretty sure there is a clique of extremely butthurt conservatist poggers with alot of pull that just dont like starrazz.
It's not about starrazz at all. It's about videos. That video discussion thread was started by traz about LuckayLuck, and no one can say Luckay is unpopular on this site. Last time someone wanted to post videos in a game I was modding (Luckay, again) I said the exact same things as this time.

I really don't understand people claiming they don't get extra information out of videos, from tone of voice and body language. I think some of it is that people not caring about game balance since they mostly rand villa, so pro-villa things are good. Or they just don't think or care at all.
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01-09-2013 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Evene
It's not about starrazz at all. It's about videos. That video discussion thread was started by traz about LuckayLuck, and no one can say Luckay is unpopular on this site. Last time someone wanted to post videos in a game I was modding (Luckay, again) I said the exact same things as this time.

I really don't understand people claiming they don't get extra information out of videos, from tone of voice and body language. I think some of it is that people not caring about game balance since they mostly rand villa, so pro-villa things are good. Or they just don't think or care at all.
This kinda makes my point since there was no rulechange last time but now there will be, ergo starazz gets treated differently.
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01-09-2013 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
This kinda makes my point since there was no rulechange last time but now there will be, ergo starazz gets treated differently.
There was no rulechange. There was an agreement that we wouldn't post videos any more.
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01-09-2013 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
Agree with most of this. But like my main point is that even if starrazz screwed up, which to me went totally unnoticed the entire game, banning him from modding is just somthing of a revenge and a total overreaction.
That's not really their position. I'd hope he learned from the experience, at the very least.

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If he his a bad mod, his games wouldnt fill, they do. When they no longer dont I will agree, and not even then will a ban from modding be necesarry.

As for vids, I think its a fun thing, I dont think they bring anything of value other then for spicey affect. I still dont want them banned and i dont see why you would need to restrict them in anyway because that will take care of itself, no one wants people to post 60min vids,

Like in my mind people in the game will "force" people to post content that is comprihensible.
Well, I hope you'll enjoy my blog.
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01-09-2013 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
it is somebody on this forum
Who caused mayhem in POG with this thread
Thank you, I think, but I was just trying to stay alive D1 :-) I am still a rookie around here.
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01-09-2013 , 06:25 AM
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Please tell me exactly what words I used to you that were rude in response to your request so that I can apologize for them.
There is a reason he has not responded to my request. I'll let you all figure it out.
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01-09-2013 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Andynan
I hope it was 06/07 forever



nah, I wasn't even around, 09/10 was great
QFT
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01-09-2013 , 06:35 AM
I don't even understand what Andy is saying here
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01-09-2013 , 06:36 AM
I think the reason that this time there is a rule change (as opposed to a consensus rule last time that we'd just stop posting videos) is mostly because there is a much larger player pool in POG now compared to 09/10. Lots of active players aren't going to have read this thread, so putting it in the OP is better.

The rule doesn't actually exclude people from posting video ever. It just is up to the Game Mod, with the default setting being "no".
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01-09-2013 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
There is a reason he has not responded to my request. I'll let you all figure it out.
[personal attack redacted] and don't see why I should indulge you?

Last edited by well named; 01-09-2013 at 12:46 PM. Reason: mods gonna mod
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01-09-2013 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeLady
QFT
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01-09-2013 , 08:38 AM
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I think the reason that this time there is a rule change (as opposed to a consensus rule last time that we'd just stop posting videos) is mostly because there is a much larger player pool in POG now compared to 09/10. Lots of active players aren't going to have read this thread, so putting it in the OP is better.

The rule doesn't actually exclude people from posting video ever. It just is up to the Game Mod, with the default setting being "no".
I disagree that that's why. I think there was no rule change last time because most people knew, after the discussion, that it was at best a gray area, and the person who sparked the discussion, Luckay, wanted not to cause problems. So the discussion itself served to curb any problems.

This time around the person who inspired the discussion seems to want not to adhere to consensus and avoid problems, but the opposite, while obeying any explicit rules that are laid down. And because he will be limited only by a rule, there has to be a rule.

The end result may be best for a large player pool, but it seems clear from the last few days' discussion that any rule that gets laid down will really be there only to control a single player, because he's made clear that only an explicit rule will do it.
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01-09-2013 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
I'm not butthurt or conservatist and I don't have any pull. I don't care much about starazz either way.

I'm pretty sure that the people who don't like starazz are mostly liberals, actually, and have no problem with his sexuality. But hey, why not substitute the gay card for, like, actually having anything to say?
lol reading antigay into biridie's post

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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
This kinda makes my point since there was no rulechange last time but now there will be, ergo starazz gets treated differently.
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
There was no rulechange. There was an agreement that we wouldn't post videos any more.
lol no rulechange

the rulechange is fine but you are hilarious
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01-09-2013 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
If he his a bad mod, his games wouldnt fill, they do. When they no longer dont I will agree, and not even then will a ban from modding be necesarry.
no. the current system gives each mod a monopoly over signups for games starting on a particular date, so players can't pick and choose which mod's game they want to join. they are stuck with whoever has the day. their only choice is to play with a mod they don't like or not play at all. that choice doesn't support your argument.

If there were alternative games they could sign up for, in that case you would have a valid point. But with the current monopoly system, no. players joining his games only show that his games are better than not playing at all - not that they are better than any other game that they would rather play.
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01-09-2013 , 10:36 AM
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no. the current system gives each mod a monopoly over signups for games starting on a particular date, so players can't pick and choose which mod's game they want to join. they are stuck with whoever has the day. their only choice is to play with a mod they don't like or not play at all. that choice doesn't support your argument.

If there were alternative games they could sign up for, in that case you would have a valid point. But with the current monopoly system, no. players joining his games only show that his games are better than not playing at all - not that they are better than any other game that they would rather play.
the current system also allows mods to exclude whomever they want for whatever reason they want for games starting on a particular date

that's the system bro. deal with it
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01-09-2013 , 10:40 AM
im fine with these rules but i hate them all.
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01-09-2013 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
deal with it
if this is directed at me, i dont think you read my post in context of the quote.
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01-09-2013 , 10:51 AM
video killed the radio star

has anyone posted that yet?
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