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11-18-2014 , 10:43 AM
if it makes you feel better you consider most of the purple list as "people I'm concerned I'm not competent enough to read correctly"

it's not you, it's me
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11-18-2014 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
The reason I asked is because he promised a 'read dump' earlier and started with you because you're from the same forum. I pointed out that I liked some of his posting when he came back but there has been no 'read dump' and I wonder what you think that means?
It doesn't mean much because I can give you valid explanations from both alignments.
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11-18-2014 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
I could see Phel and Moocher as w/w.
I'd likely bus him (or be bussed) hard. It's not outside the realms of possibility. But it's a silly thing to say without knowing my meta, or his.
Did you research either of us prior to saying this?
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11-18-2014 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
OK well I didn't read much of the thread after my untimely demise but taking the reactions that wolves had to you in a multifaction wolf game with players who know you and implying that they have any relevance in how you should read someone like traz in a game like this, seems like a very obviously poor idea.
How do you figure? A wolfy response is a wolfy response is a wolfy response is a wolfy response. Doesn't matter who said it.

Cory, you remember on VS when I rustled Chris and he outed himself as non-town in his tail-between-legs deer in headlights response to me?

Carcino (who was some old POGgers gimmick - lucky?) did the same thing in GoT.

Traz did the same thing here.

So we lynch him.
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11-18-2014 , 10:45 AM
I'm voting traz Tommy

Or as far as I can remember I am
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11-18-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
This means "too wolfy to be a werewolf"

Playing so poorly or drawing so much negative attention to self that it would be suicidal as a wolf.
This is like #1 on the Top 50 Mafia Mistakes list. Too scummy to be scum can most definitely be a scum strategy. Don't write it off because you think it's suicidal; that might be exactly what he wants you to do.
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11-18-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by corycurren
I don't read you particularly well and assume you have a pretty broad range

I remember in Champs IV you had a lot of content I didn't really pay attention to and people were telling me you were a villager for some reason and I didn't agree until the Guild thing (which of course turned out to be wolves bussing a wolf they knew was outed) and you ended up winning wolf MVP

Don't expect to be on my villager list unless I have a real reason, as nothing in your content screams "oh, Moocher's obv villa!"

I don't even know what your village game looks like
To the bolded, you're telling me the TWELVE people in your villa list have all given a 'real reason' to be there? You have tappo as villa, the guy has 23 posts and is known as maybe the best vanilla wolf out there, presumably you have played with him plenty of times and been owned by him, on the other hand you are saying on the one hand that you don't read me particularly well but on the other you don't know what my village game looks like. You were wrong about me once, try not to worry about it, everyone I've wolfed against has been wrong at least once.
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11-18-2014 , 10:46 AM
TomTom what do you think of my latest list at 1506

who would you move up?

who would you move down?
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11-18-2014 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
Top 3 villagers:

marvellosity
Murska
corycurren/Arcbell

something like that

Top 3 wolves (this is going off of gut and what I recall - or moreso the fact that I can't recall anything noteworthy from them):

Phelanpt
saberwolf13
TommyDanger

Obviously, I hate BGG lol :P
My mind is absolutely BLOWN having Murska as a top 3 villager. Absolutely insane to me.
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11-18-2014 , 10:46 AM
I'm voting traz and will continue to vote traz. The case is the exact same as it was when I put the vote down, and he's done absolutely nothing to help us find scum since I made that vote. He still is avoiding my reasonable question.
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11-18-2014 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Phelanpt
I'd likely bus him (or be bussed) hard. It's not outside the realms of possibility. But it's a silly thing to say without knowing my meta, or his.
Did you research either of us prior to saying this?
Im exclusively posting by phone in this game. I can't really research. I'm giving my real time responses to thread events. I had a twinge of w/w there; you'll see me explain why later.

I'm thinking Moocher is probably a villager at this point. But you were right in your rambling that I sometime say things for reactions -- that post was one of those times that I half believed what I said and half wanted to see what other people would say about it. Only Moocher bit so it wasn't too helpful.

I didn't really see the merit in your rambling post about my mysterious nature, though. You're gonna have to take a stance on me at some point. Shirking that responsibility is bizarre, but it's even weirder to me that you're acting like someone with tons of meta on me -- declaring I'm unreadable -- despite me being pretty sure we've never played before. Almost like you were told about me in wolf chat!?
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11-18-2014 , 10:49 AM
Votes from post 13 to post 1535
Night in 10:11:28

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5 Phelanpt Athexx (33), marvellosity (101), dbmurph22 (110), The Moocher (131), Thingyman (61)
4 TommyDanger saberwolf13 (24), Murska (33), Luckbox Inc (37), traz (83)
3 traz merk_sa (65), Top Tier Tom (216), corycurren (120)
2 The Moocher Phelanpt (50), Arcbell (31)
2 lenC well named (14), DWetzel (93)
1 Crunkus monstrman (47)
1 monstrman jcohen (38)
1 Luckbox Inc TommyDanger (69)
1 merk_sa tappokone (23)
1 well named lenC (28)
3 not voting AngryPidgeon (0), Crunkus (63), yamato77 (29)
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11-18-2014 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
Thingy, how is it possible that you only have a weak villa read on traz yet his top-3 wolves are yamato/saberwolf/tommydanger and you have 3 of those as your top-4 wolves?
I am aware of this and it is part of the reason why I have him as SLIGHT villa lean (I could very well be wrong on those reads, in which case he doesn't really get any villa pts from me for thinking the same as me - especially given that we massively disagree on other reads, namely Phelanpt). As you will note, he's only actually made 2 posts that I've found villagery (to where I'm caught up to) and he's made one that I found wolfy.
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11-18-2014 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Phelanpt
I mentioned it when I said it: He called athexx out for not letting me put out sample size before jumping on me. Athexx's read is either fake, or he's evil.
Not that Athexx can't usually read me well, he can usually read me as Good pretty well.
I would like to disagree that he can catch me as evil as well, but I'm not certain whether he caught me on game mechanics on those, or on reads.
Either way, if Athex still says I'm evil by day's end, something's wrong.

As for murph, I didn't like the way he called me on my moocher vote. Will get to that eventually.

First time Phelan even addresses me and he's not talking to me. Do you guys see this?

He's trying to convince everyone else, he knows he can't convince me.
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11-18-2014 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
To the bolded, you're telling me the TWELVE people in your villa list have all given a 'real reason' to be there? You have tappo as villa, the guy has 23 posts and is known as maybe the best vanilla wolf out there, presumably you have played with him plenty of times and been owned by him, on the other hand you are saying on the one hand that you don't read me particularly well but on the other you don't know what my village game looks like. You were wrong about me once, try not to worry about it, everyone I've wolfed against has been wrong at least once.
I know I have a lot of villagers! But most of them are very thin, consider them all people I think are > rand but not super confidently at this point. I take pride in having strong townreads so I'll have more confident ones when I feel comfortable

Tappo is of course a good wolf but he owned me once MOSTLY because he bussed in a wolfbro convincingly in the Seinfeld game Tommy ran; I have been able to recognize him as a villager in games since and so far I feel pretty okay about him

Seriously link me to a villager game you've had recently - or more than one - because I tend to look at players based on how they think and I just don't know HOW you think as a villager. Tappo is a "good wolf" but I have decent footing (in my head) at least about how he approaches the game and also how he portrays himself subconsciously as a villager and I would guess gun to head he's a villager here

I'm allowed to give thin town reads when I want to give thin town reads

Right now I'm probably more focused on the ~handful of people who have been independently wolfy

I appreciate you being ~somewhat perturbed that you aren't on my green list and if you are a villager I hope our minds click and we get there, but I'm just not comfortable at this point

Maybe some light reading on your villagery self will help me
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11-18-2014 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by corycurren
Moocher post me to your latest villager game and I'll read it

Only because you haven't been such a dildo lately

This is your reward
have fun!
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11-18-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by marvellosity
My mind is absolutely BLOWN having Murska as a top 3 villager. Absolutely insane to me.
I'm here to blow, baby.
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11-18-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yamato77
Marv rather dull. I had similar thoughts about thingy's attack of Tom at the time but I question how much he believes his read on traz. Seems like I need to read traz to understand better. Will do.

Metawise Marv is not easily catchable on D1. He seems somewhat uncomfortable but people are admitting to being affected by the setting so it isn't meaningful really. He could easily clear himself however. Town Marv is rather obvious.
I had a null read of yamato up to this point. He was non-existant. This sounds good, though.
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11-18-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
I'm here to blow, baby.
Let's just hope if you're town you don't have a gun
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11-18-2014 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
I am aware of this and it is part of the reason why I have him as SLIGHT villa lean (I could very well be wrong on those reads, in which case he doesn't really get any villa pts from me for thinking the same as me - especially given that we massively disagree on other reads, namely Phelanpt). As you will note, he's only actually made 2 posts that I've found villagery (to where I'm caught up to) and he's made one that I found wolfy.
You have provided me with no evidence that you'd be aware of this and I'm starting to think you're just making it all up as you go along. I think your effort level has been a joke so far, especially given that you spent more time talking me into playing this ****ing game than you've spent actually playing it and just about every post of yours has some excuse about how you aren't caught up or some detail about what you're doing irl. Not good enough.
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11-18-2014 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Phelanpt
I had a null read of yamato up to this point. He was non-existant. This sounds good, though.
Tell me EXACTLY what sounds good about that post, Phelanpt.
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11-18-2014 , 10:54 AM
[QUOTE=Thingyman;45270440]
corycurren/Arcbell[/q]

Are you saying they're the same person? Or indicating some sort of tie between them?

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Originally Posted by Thingyman
Phelanpt
saberwolf13
TommyDanger

Obviously, I hate BGG lol :P
And given your previous case on me, how do you feel about murph?

I'm iffy on saberwolf but I haven't played with him in ages and probably have the least read on him of all the BGG players. Tommy I wouldn't have much of a read on except the fact that I think the current votes on him are extremely sketchy so I'm inclined to feel better about him as a result.
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11-18-2014 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by saberwolf13
Tommy reads good to me, based solely on his interactions with "foreigners". Evil Tommy does his best to be everybody's friend and blends in with "passively vocal" contributions. He also tries to campaign for the heavy weight cases instead of the smaller things. The fact that he's already drew minor heat going after merk and tappo with regards to the saber joke reads as more town as a result in my mind.
This is why I'm suspicious about Saber. He reads tommy as good, without making a comment on Tommy's intro post that he requested.
Tommy's intro post was a rehashing of a prior intro, and not a very good one. It felt half-assed.
So Saber not commenting on it until called out on it later:
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I''m more interested in knowing whether saberwolf was sufficiently impressed with TommyDanger's opening or not
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Originally Posted by saberwolf13
It was meh, but it will do.
It's weak. This is unusual for saber.
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11-18-2014 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Phelanpt
I had a null read of yamato up to this point. He was non-existant. This sounds good, though.
What do you like about that post?
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11-18-2014 , 10:55 AM
TOO SLOW TTT
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