bet you I still die if he doesn't

like, if there's multiple people that have mechanical certainty that Tom is a wolf here and that's what's driving this and I'm not in on the info, then fine, whatever, I can accept that

if that's not what's happening the I'm going to get pretty pissed

no time to peek everybody

what do you mean it sucks to read?

i've read all your posts, you're still asking the same questions and progressively saying dumber and dumber things and i'm finally asking you to own them

for you to think my building a wagon on tom is 'sketchy' is so, so, so, so stupid that i'd like you to explain it, please go through the different affiliation scenarios where it makes sense that i'm a wolf?

so i'm w/w with tom, what's my motivation?

i'm w/v with tom, what's my motivation?

if you're going to keep pushing this then go ahead and explain it

The point is to confirm tom without risking lynching town. I understand that fypov there's no risk of lynching town in lynching Tom, but from ours there is, so don't try to argue this fypov, argue why it makes sense to lynch in CCs from the town's POV.... but you won't because it doesn't, and you know it as either alignment.

Point of all this being, we lynch outside PRs.

so like...I think Tom maybe spews me

think I'm spewed

i think tom is a wolf anyways but i pushed this earlier and apparently that makes me sketchy

Luckbox I want to know why YOU aren't voting Tom. I definitely think you should be voting outside Tom, but I'm just curious as to you want that.

As to why you want that* sorry poor wording, I'm curious as to what your reason is

it's not the "building a wagon on Tom", it's the absolute certainty you went into this with before the claim, demanding everyone vote Tom

if you are w/w your motivation is to get out ahead of a situation where Tom feels like he needs to be bussed to make yourself look good; perhaps your wolf tracker/watcher thinks that someone knows Tom is evil and hasn't spilled the beans yet

if you are w/v, your motivation is to get a mislynch of a vocal player that you think you can get because other people started sniffing at Tom and because he misread monstr for a while and you can push that

this **** really ain't hard

Tom will get enough votes that mine can go elsewhere

(in seriousness I rarely vote whatever the runaway wagon is)

I have monstr as somewhat spewing you already

So uh... The Moocher one more time with feeling? Crossing my fingers...

The Basis for the Earlier Proposed Readable Moment on Sabrewolf

Timeline

1. Thingy votes Gamerdude.
2. Sabrewolf responds

Point #1: Sabrewolf is expressing here strongly invested suspicion in Thingyman for the basis of his vote on Gamerdude.

4. Thingyman states the vote was a test and that he did not in fact believe the things he stated in that vote.

5. Sabrewolf maintains thread presence, but does not react to this information.

6. Thingyman suggests such a state as out of place, given Sabrewolfs invested read in Thingman based upon this information.

7. Sabrewolf responds

Point #2: Sabre's explanation doesn't explain his non-reaction. It makes it all the more unlikely if he's a town who believes what he's been saying and who believes what he says he believed in the explanation.

If he viewed it this way, then why didn't he react to that? He didn't react at all. He ignored it. Here's his best read making a major statement and he ignores it outright and talks about other stuff. Then, when it is pointed out that his lack of reaction is seemingly out of place, he responds by explaining why he felt the "test" statement was itself suspicious. Except...he didn't react that way. He talked about other things as though it didn't happen. This seems odd for someone invested in a read whose basis was just challenged. It appears to be a simple explanation, except it doesn't explain his reaction...which is the basis for the read. The viewpoint Sabre expresses in his reply is something that suggests that coming from a town who believed Thingy scum on that original basis, then heard Thingy say that, would react again and strongly to. Instead...nothing. It doesn't explain that non-reaction. The "explanation" is not consistent with what actually occurred...even if it is taken for face value.

8. The Immediate Question That Followed

Thingy asks sabre to make sure he's ready for an immediate answer to a question. He then asks him to articulate the details of thingy's test. Sabre responds that he can't and didn't really give it any mind because he doesn't think that response is difficult to fake.

This is consistent with his earlier answer but not to ignoring the response entirely. His best read just offered what he feels was a lame out. Why doesn't he mention it?

What Has Gone Unexplained And Still Goes Unexplained

Why given sabrewolfs invested read on Thingyman based upon the reasons offered for the Gamervote (and his bad track record that sabre mentions) does he not react at all when Thingy claims the vote to be a test? Note the question is not why he doesn't accept Thingy's claim as legitimate. The question is why he has nothing to say about Thingyman saying this at all. For someone invested in that read, as a villager, to see what he says he perceived as a bull**** answer...that's gonna illicit a response. Don't you think? It doesn't. Sabre wolf is there and playing, but it's as if it didn't happen until Thingyman gets to his THIS IS IMPORTANT post indicting sabre.

When asked to explain this, Sabre has just gone on repeating how he thought the test was bull****. Again...this doesn't address the chief complaint.

Why the complete lack of a reaction. Given the narrative Sabre is offering...one would EXPECT a reaction. Sabre acts as though the only natural reaction would be if he accepted what Thingy had to say at face value.

That's just not the case.

Sabre, I'd like you to explain the complete lack of a reaction, given your belief that his "test" declaration was bull****.


This is a significant question. I don't care what your impression on Sabrewolf, if you can't explain that lack of reaction, and sabrewolf won't or can't....that's a real problem. That's not a shrug issue. That's something completely unexplained that can be explained quite well if he's a wolf.

If there is an explanation for it, offer it. But let's stop acting like the current explanation does that. It doesn't and I've articulated now quite clearly why.

Is it tldr? I hope not. If we can read through this wall after wall of posts, we can read one long one if even one poster states that it's really important.

I think this is a better basis for a read than anything I've noticed this game or anything anyone else has noticed. It's not an effectively binary situation like we're faced with today. But it's something that either needs to be explained as not quite as strong as I think it is...or recognized for being significant.

Our reasons are different but our conclusion is the same we are one we are legion? Idk...

and this is getting me rustled because either this is a really simple mechanical thing that I'm just not seeing and I don't like that because that's what I theoretically do well

or the entire rest of the thread is taking lazy pills and falling head first into an easy trap, and I really really don't like that

alrighty I'll play your game

if we lynch someone else, Tom is a wolf JOAT and we lynch someone else who flips villager

THEN WE LOSE 2 VILLAS

how does that factor in to your little theory?

Arcbell: What is your view on Tom voting Thingy when he says gamer is a liar?

Crunkus, sum that up in three sentences of no more than two lines each.

Crunkus do you follow my reasoning for not lynching between PR ccs today, given that Tom claims he can shoot tonight, and we can demand he shoot GamerDude on pain of being confirmed?

If so are you willing to pact to vote to keep Tom alive tonight by EOD?

Moocher, you're certain Tom is a wolf; given that certainty, who looks good and bad from pushing/defending/ignoring him? Who looks bad or good from discussion surrounding today's claims?

the 'absolute certainty' aspect is your description, all i did was try to get a wagon built on the guy so he could be pressured but your wording of the situation is inaccurate as to how i was feeling and also pure paranoia at best

your w/w scenario doesn't work because LOOK YOU'VE ALREADY CAUGHT ME!

and as w/v you really think with all the useless players itg that i need to go after tom? don't be so ****ing ridiculous, we have at least 4 mislynches just sitting around begging for it to happen

i wanted tom pressured, that's all, and because it goes against one of your reads you're using some rather inflammatory language to describe what happened but you could just man up and admit that you're worried about what's going on rather than throwing shade at me because you really have no reason to

There is a mechanical flaw in this plan btw; you assume that the wolves have no means to roleblock Tom (probably true) or to angel Gamer

alright DW let's talk about how Tom is a wolf irt other things.

me/Tom/monstr/cory have this whole "alliance thing"

explain to me how monstr goes the entire game without ever engaging Tom yet continually tries to buddy to cory and to a lesser extent me.

does that not strike you as extremely odd?

i'm not certain and have never said that i am, i'm obviously not going to start doing a spew read on the guy, that would be ridiculous