It seems like you're less arguing against policy lynching selfvoters and more just arguing in favor of policy lynching other bad habits players have.

But fwiw, I disagree on the above point. I think my points have been made at length though; I guess we'll just have to disagree about this (and probably lots of other things, lol)

What are the other behaviours?

I think im getting the vote thing now though.

I basically view it as another tool.

If you do x and people find that villagery then you do it as a wolf too.

If people dont find it villagery then you stop doing it.

that's a pretty silly claim to make when there isn't a single good SE ww player

F7. Seer died n1. One wolf left. Lots of people who I think are villagers have wanted me dead since d1/d2. They are really sure I'm a wolf and not going to change their minds.

I am the sole focus of attention. I say OK, let's stop talking about me because that isn't helping. Lynch me today and I'll do a review of every player. So I do detailed reviews of every player. There's a couple of players I'm real sure are villagers that other players want to lynch. My reviews can help them, but I need to be dead first.

If I wiggle out of this, the people who suspect me will think it was all a trick to avoid a lynch and I go back to being the focus of attention. When a villager really wants you dead, you die. Not being resolved can be bad for your team.

My pick for the wolf was esse. Esse was not the wolf. But when he saw me self-vote with 6 minutes left he woke up and realized that actually he had a problem. So he voted my #2 wolf who was lynched as the wolf.

Another example of self-vote.
Mishmash
Less than 15 mins till end of day

Player A - full-night villa vig
Player B - vanilla who had a one-time peak and peaked Player A- village vig

Player A made some contribution but has been UTR most of the time in the game - popped in this day and said blah blah player B is prolly a wolf but I wont be around EOD.

Player B - defends player A when player A starts getting votes this causes suspicion - player B badly defends himself then 1 hour before night claims that he has peaked player A but will not disclose what his role is - village and wolves keep pushing both equally with a variety of reasons. Player B cannot get a third wagon going.

Player B decides to self-vote with only 15 mins to go with votes ~ =.

is that a clear +EV or -EV play?
Is that policy lynch?
If it was a policy lynch and Player B knew it was a policy lynch does that make his play +EV......should he/she face ongoing punishment or stigma in other games?

seems like you missed trolling time by a few hours... so your attempt is denied..

mishmashes are like slot machines, i dont care about them

im talking about real werewolf

Self voting is a pretty easy topic.

Do a poll asking whether Poggers are for it or against it.

If they are for it, allow it in games as a strategy just like any other.

If they are against it, ban it from games on punishment of modkill, like we do with editing posts.

Likely grunching I've only read the last 15 posts.

pog mods wont ban anything and they like the chaos of every gamemod having their own rules

plaxico ITT..

that's not even close to something that happened

I have done exactly this a few times myself.

1 wolf left no seer
being a villa
but likely to be wagon all the way to f3 if I stay alive.
+
A pretty good feel that those pushing me are the villas.

if you left your selfvote on yourself all day, its fine imo

i dont understand why its not just included in other ways to try and trick people to not vote you.. like fake claiming or being emo butthurt and taking your ball and going home.. it's all the same to me

Ahh the great sun tzu I've heard soo much about you. Unfortunately for me you're nocturnal so we haven't had a chance to speak.

I think far worse than self-voting.

Is claiming seer d1 with like 5 mins to go as a vanilla villa.

You might get me on a punishment bandwagon if it was for absurdly selfish play.

are you actually ******ed?

so how could he be me?

I'm a nice guy

Biggerboat being on a banned list is perhaps the best example why a banned list is a bad idea.

lol someone quote this list please

Not on day 1 but I have seen some players use this to good effect.

I can see how if they are wrong with their reads it could backfire terribly for the village though.

lol @ banning self-voting

some of you guys really are no fun

okay, it's 7 AM and I've also just tried discussing this with PBAL, I give up...

I am going to bed with the comfort of knowing that I am in agreement with soah, Chips and Digger, it seems.