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10-14-2008 , 03:58 PM

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no words imo

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10-14-2008 , 04:05 PM

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bobman0330

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I was going to post about Bayes theorem, but then I thought, "Nah, well named will show up soon and post something clever about it. Why bother?"

True story.

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10-14-2008 , 04:10 PM

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Bronstein

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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

bell, match, scream, dead

Could you explain that one? Never heard of it/them.

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10-14-2008 , 04:13 PM

#29

Bronstein

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Originally Posted by JaredL

If you like these sorts of ideas I can give you much more detailed descriptions and tell you where you can find directions and so forth. I think these things are the best if you shell out a few bucks and actually pay people. Just choose a random pairing and pay them and you'll only spend like 20 total if you run all of them.

Great games imo. Don't mind adding some $$ indeed. Feel free to add some more ...

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10-14-2008 , 04:13 PM

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Chuck Norris

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Originally Posted by well named

no words imo

P is a word imo,
and sometimes its a beverage

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10-14-2008 , 04:51 PM

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Bronstein

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Great input. I think I'll be using the following for sure:
connect 4/draughts/go (any other simple rule-games I should now about?)
logical fallacies (based on this small book I have)
cognitive dissonance and emotion (over-justification)
bayes theorem (simple examples)
basic symbolic logic (tautology, conradiction, ...)
final jeopardy bidding (and other interesting gameshows, don't know the american names though)
game theory: prisoners' dilemma, beauty contest, Ultimatum game, Trust Game, Market entry game, Centipede game, Second-price auction, all-pay auction

The others are too hard imo and simplifying them robs them of their value.

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10-14-2008 , 08:02 PM

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Please don't skip Occam's Razor

Do not inflict more people on the world that understand logic but not the absolute basic #1 most important thing when evaluating information.

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10-14-2008 , 08:19 PM

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Nicholasp27

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don't forget nich's razor:

the simplest explanation is the most boring

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10-14-2008 , 08:21 PM

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Nicholasp27

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Originally Posted by Bronstein

Could you explain that one? Never heard of it/them.

it's a lateral thinking problem...they gotta figure out paul harvey...was only 83% serious with the suggestion

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10-14-2008 , 08:55 PM

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Do not skip the Münchhausen-Trilemma, it's way more important than Occam's Razor.

I'm trying to remember the name of the game that you could buy that is pretty much a huge collection of brain teasers but I can't remember the name.
Would probably good to own that one if you teach similar classes regularly.

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10-14-2008 , 09:09 PM

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So, this is the 36th post in this thread and nobody has suggested the Monty Hall problem?!

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU CLOWNS?!?!?!?!?

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10-15-2008 , 06:43 AM

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Bronstein

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Originally Posted by antidan444

So, this is the 36th post in this thread and nobody has suggested the Monty Hall problem?!

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU CLOWNS?!?!?!?!?

Half of the suggestions make me say "Oh right, can't forget that one!", but I would have if they weren't mentioned here.

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10-15-2008 , 06:49 AM

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Bronstein

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How to bring Occam's razor and Münchhausen-Trilemma to ADHD students with no interest in math, psychology or knowledge?

I think I'll drop them because explaining half of it or having it half understood seems -EV.

One-liners or comics that require some thought to get seem more useful.

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10-15-2008 , 06:51 AM

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Bronstein

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Originally Posted by clowntable

I'm trying to remember the name of the game that you could buy that is pretty much a huge collection of brain teasers but I can't remember the name.
Would probably good to own that one if you teach similar classes regularly.

I'm curious and then hope that it proofs my last comment to be mistaken.

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10-15-2008 , 09:06 AM

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There is a great book by Colin Bruce called "Conned Again Watson," which is a bunch of lessons in critical thinking in the (thin) guise of Sherlock Holmes stories. From memory, it goes over statistics, Bayesian probability, game theory, positive feedback (not the psychological kind, rather the system kind), and some other stuff that is pretty cool. It is pretty accessible, and would be great reading for this class I think.

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10-15-2008 , 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by antidan444

So, this is the 36th post in this thread and nobody has suggested the Monty Hall problem?!

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU CLOWNS?!?!?!?!?

bayes theorem covers the monty hall problem dawg.

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10-15-2008 , 11:52 AM

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antidan444

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And you expect me to be familiar with bayes theorem. Sheesh.

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10-15-2008 , 08:02 PM

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Stephen H

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I've heard of the "all-pay" auction being done as a "top two pay" instead at management seminars/classes. Professor pulls out a $100 bill and starts an auction, but warns people that both the winner and the second place bidder will pay, even though only the winner gets the $100 bill.
Auction always goes over $100, and sometimes into the outrageous numbers of 4x and 5x and more. Who wants to pay $90 for nothing when you can pay $110 and get $100 back?

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10-15-2008 , 08:07 PM

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Nicholasp27

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mindtrap is the game clown is thinking of imo

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10-15-2008 , 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen H

Yeah that seems like the way to go. Too hard to keep track of if you charge everybody.

I would recommend doing this as one of the last things or at least after the other things I suggested so you don't have to charge them and so that they believe you when you say they're playing for a few bucks for the other games.