Yea, not a good look.

Ok.

Man, I feel so horrible about that lynch.

I think he only has one. He died on d1 in that one.

Wrt my wolfing, I have only wolfed once, should be easy to find from DB.

How is everyone else judging the four vanillas?

accobra_kid
LKJ
TH10
Punker

I think LKJ and TH10 have both been equally super villagery, much more so than the other two, but I have little beyond that. If there is anything mechanical going for either or you two, or reasons that demonstrate why you're a villager beyond 'I've posted villagery 1,000 times this game', let me know. That sounds silly as I write it, I know.

I think that of the four, I have the most tangible evidence going for me with the disko spew and what I did with the idol.

Think really hard about this today. If you aren't completely buying into me being clear because of disko/idol and would vote to lynch me in two days, then you're better off to lynch me now.

I think the idol play in particular puts me on par with TH10/LKJ's uber-villagerness, so if you don't agree, let's talk it over.

I don't really understand the underlined part. Why would you expect the game to still be ongoing in two days?

I think I was a villager in all vanilla games I ever played, which wasn't very many. As I've said previously, I was a wolf power role in one bigger game and I believe I was the first one killed on d1. I haven't played in probably a year.

I think the most likely scenario is exactly one wolf left. If we trade lynch for NK we arrive at a F3 on Wednesday.

I think the entirety of my DWetzel interaction in this thread does quite a bit for me. Also my actions in helping get disko got, even though admittedly if I had gotten my way during that whole thing we would have just ended up peeking DWetzel earlier than disko ever became a topic. Regardless I was working toward nailing down the wolf that I originally caught. There's probably other stuff too. I dunno, that's my strongest.

Pretty sure the answer is no. They could coordinate work on the skill, but not luck.

Yes, but why would you expect the game to reach F3?

You don't think the last wolf is very likely to be found in Punker/Deco?

The instructions back on p1 said they couldn't coordinate in their search for the Luck idol, but they could at night for the Skill idol.

Ok. Well then they didn't have that big of an advantage, probably still some from BATM's role. But that isn't huge.

Or maybe not. It depends on how the role worked. If he would be told which of the guesses was close, then it would be easy to put all three close to that the next night. If not, then it is just pure luck. Meh, even in the first scenario, that isn't really a meaningful advantage.

Because I don't feel anyone alive has really presented a case beyond POE over the last couple of days. Feels like we are just clicking buttons and spinning our wheels.

These games are never that easy.

No, I would not be surprised if there is a wolf in you or LKJ.

Can't speak for LKJ, but you are giving my wolf game way too much credit.

So you are sure Gad is a villa?

I recall reading a mod post that says that the wolves could coordinate for the skill idol but were not allowed to coordinate for the luck idol.

Not sure if that's an accurate recollection, and not sure how practically feasible it is to stop wolves from colluding on their luck guesses, but there you go.

The only thing about the idol is if you were playing a long game and wanted to hold onto the idol during the Sirrawrs lynch precisely so you could get cleared later on that basis and win the endgame...but that seems really silly, not least because of the massive equity you give up by letting the wolf vig die there (since you'd have been able to get Quarrr lynched that day and then kill a villa overnight, all the while making everyone kill Sirrawrs the next day).

Finished eating, back to more boring stuff.

That's right, it does seem silly. Once again, the most obvious interpretation is correct and we can ignore the huge FPS theory.

If you haven't seen it, go see my entrance post on d4, the morning after SirRawrs got lynched.

The idol hadn't come up in conversation on d3, so I didn't have many opportunities to talk about it before then. Furthermore, I wasn't even allowed to confirm I had it either.

But when we lynched two wolves, it started to become clear that the wolves would've used it if they had it, so it must be in the hands of a villager. In fact, I think you yourself said that on more than one occasion.

I tried to hint I had it with that d4 entrance post, then again right before the d5 lynch on Friday night with my 'don't shoot me' post. Thought someone might've picked up but you and LKJ quickly gravitated in the wrong direction towards recommending TN vig me.

I was probably way too subtle.

Yeah, my tendency is to think that it would be a pretty reckless gamble on cobra's part to hoard that as the wolf to try to get clearance with it later, because he easily could have been vigged on several different nights before ever getting to use it for clearance.

Right.

I think you and LKJ post very well. I don't see why you couldn't have randed wolf and have been doing a superb job or mimicing your villager game.

I have not seen you wolf. LKJ on the other hand, has had a few subpar performances when I've seen him wolf (LOST, March Mashness, NBA 2.0), so this is consistent with his 'I'm not a good wolf theory' he has suggested this game.

No, but it is not the conversation to have right now, especially since Gadarene is very likely to eat one of the next two nightkills... maybe even tonight's if Vader keeps it up.

It does feel like I'm the most interested in crazy tinfoils and pointing fingers at even the clearest of people. That puzzles me, some of you seem locked in to your reads when you should be considering all avenues.

Moderator Question:

Can a roleblocker prevent the wolf team kill with a roleblock if there is only one wolf left alive?

No.

Punker, can you tell me a little bit about your ww experience? I may be able to clear you.

March Mashness I was a neutral and didn't play too badly; I just got peeked n0 and Chips decided to try to get clearance through me as a wolf. Nobody was paying any attention to me before he hard-claimed that peek of me.

(This is purely just a pride-based self-defense and has nothing to do with anything.)

Votes from post 12217 to post 12273
Night in 8:59:59
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
1	LKJ	Punker (9)
1	Punker	LKJ (13)
5	not voting	TH10 (12), TehVader (0), Gadarene (13), Deco354 (0), accobra_kid (8)

just skimmed through some early game and late game posts from LKJ in the vanilla game he linked me to where he ended up winning as a wolf at f3, and I have to say...