exactly

which is something I took great pains to avoid mentioning

(it doesn't matter, if BATM didn't get modkilled he was going down in a hail of bullets the next day anyway )

lol

What Wilverine really means is that it was good for the wolves. I don't dispute this. By that logic, whenever I rand wolf I should sub the **** out because I'm a terrible wolf. But I don't do that because I'm not a fraudulent coward.

Once again though Wilverine, I think it was more domer's fault than yours for granting that sub request when it was clear you could still participate.

yeah, I mean, here's the thing

if you are a player and assume that whoever rands that role should be able to carry it out in terms of game balance (which may be a faulty assumption) and you know you can't, your mere presence imbalances the game not because you're good or bad but because you can't participate to the level required (and "1 hour a day" as advertised doesn't really cover it)

in that sense it's maybe OK to say "hey, my presence/lack thereof is causing a game imbalance here" and ask for a sub out -- like, if Wilverine would also have subbed out if "you have to post 400 times to destroy the Death Star" was a role, it doesn't seem unreasonable

maybe

however, the caveat is that with those sorts of roles it's always imbalanced against your team so subbing out by definition helps your team and does make you kind of a pussy


which is why roles like this being totally randomized kinda sucks; it's probably better in a game with a wolf tactician or something

Well tbf game did have a wolf tactician, we just would've had to sacrifice them d1. Maybe we should've taken fnord up on his offer.

oh

well

yeah

that would have been better then


(didn't know that, he was already dead by the time I subbed in)

Yeah, with a tactician available then wilverine subbing out really can't be justified IMO.

And, you know, the Death Star thing was a bit of a wolf troll roll anyway with multiple secret village rolls we needed to kill to get it to shoot and only one high post wolf roll the village needed to kill to remove any chance of it ever being operational.

Thought there was a backup emperor?

they had to kill one early or two late, I think, something something still goes off if I died as long as someone else was alive based off my # of posts

or something like that

I don't really understand this, and would be grateful if somebody can explain it to me.

1) I understood that the rule that one cannot tallk about modkills means that one cannot talk about modkills that have happened. I think i see the reasons for that rule, even though it is slanted to favour the wolves (& to some extent masons) - who can collaboratively try to see if there is information to be gained from the modkill if they want - as against the individual villagers.

2) It seems to me that claiming that one's role is "unclaimable" is absolutely functionally equivalent to claiming that one's role is "unclaimable and the mod will kill be if I do in fact claim the role in the thread". I really don't see what the difference is.

(3) My conclusion up to now has been that one cannot discuss specific mod kills, but that mention of the concept of modkills is permitted.


Clearly I seem to be missing something here. As I say, I'ld like to know what.

Yeah there was. It was redacted from Vagos' role.

In the case of the backup, the number of kills would be based on number of posts that the Emperor had upon his death, again a minimum of 1, maximum of 4. So if Wilverine had died day 2 with like 80 posts, Vagos would get 1 vig if he was able to live long enough.

What was the redacted part of the darth bane role?

darth bane could have chosen which roles to give each wolf. However, he would die N1.

slow pony

Sando pretty butthurt atm.

Good, good

We should have had TTT sub out too, after the first few villa-vigs.

Yeah, this is an issue with all of the "don't talk about X" rules. Just because we can't talk about subs doesn't mean we won't think about subs. Same with modkills, etc. The general principle is that you're not allowed to use the mod to help clear yourself or implicate someone else; we've come to a general consensus that these rules are better than the alternative.

We had a long discussion about this in DVC while you were still alive, general consensus seemed to be "unclaimable roles are not ideal". In this case, domer's ruling was that the "you cannot claim your role is unclaimable" rule only applied to people whose PMs included that rule. As long as DWetzel stayed away from talking about mod communications or modkills, it was fine. It was the village's job to realize that DWetzel claiming unclaimable and still being alive meant DWetzel was full of ****.

I would just avoid it altogether. I mean, yeah, if you mention modkills in a light-hearted, off-hand way that clearly isn't intended to clear or implicate anyone or get any game-related information, that's fine. What BATM did wrong was try to use the mod to clear himself (or whatever he was trying to do). It doesn't help his case that he was explicitly warned to knock it off and kept talking about it.

I seriously thought about PMing domer about this a few times or the weekend but then came back to the conclusion that it would be angleshooty. I probably should've though and let him deal with how to handle it.

Meanwhile, everyone one else seemed content with letting him and disko get away with their lolturrible claims and didn't touch on a single post of mine about it.

has their ever been a village triple voter who lost their powers with 15 or 10 or whatever people left

that being said, moan about disko "abusing" his meta all you want (and i don't think this is accurate personally. i think the people who do that are the people who are literally impossible to read because they post <20 times a game and never add anything in either role) but seems like he survives to the end in about half his wolf games or something which is super impressive

Being described as abusing/exploiting your meta as a wolf isn't any sort of insult; it's exactly what a person should do when they wolf.

yes I think so

and yeah, anyone "abusing their meta" basically translates, IMO, into you having either an incorrect perception of what their meta is or too high or a reliance on that meta

like, "zomg he never does X as a wolf but he did it here so he can't be a wolf, oops he's a wolf" means you were wrong about that person's capacity to do X as a wolf and nothing more

iirc, last time i randed wolf and tried to use my meta by not posting or doing anything helpful i died pretty quickly because even though insanity/vagos/lkj/etc were saying "disko must be a villager" there were 30 people calling me out for being wolfy, and it only takes one person to fire off a SHAT.

but when im posting more than like 20-30 times a day i have to worry about those same insanity/vagos/lkj/etc people calling me a wolf because i'm trying too hard. so i tried to find a delicate balance this game and i guess it worked ok. CT and wetzel were definitely posting significantly better toward the end and i was just trying to hold on for dear life for one more day.