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02-24-2014 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Your read on Ivers's Perdi vote is too simplistic for my taste. I wouldn't call it a problem, though.
You said that I should have voted for no one, which is to say that you found everyone's posting to be exactly role-neutral, and you have a problem with anyone who thinks otherwise. This is absurd.

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Originally Posted by tappokone
With which part?
Anyone who shows up and fluffs while making no effort at progressing the game is >rand to be a wolf (the exact amount dependent upon the details of the circumstances). Voting for anyone who is >rand to be wolf on page 1 is all fine and great.

Your opposition to the Pimp and iversonian votes is somewhat perplexing given that you offered no alternatives on who to vote for except for those which were dependent upon the Pimp/iversonian votes being bad. Given that the premise is illogical, the conclusion is as well.

Even more perplexing is that you yourself make all sorts of nitpicky, pedantic observations at the start of the game and yet you criticize others for making thin votes at the very start of the game.
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02-24-2014 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hate Documentarian
/INQUIRY SCRIPT ENGAGED

tappokone: is bhuber2010's observation in the context of this game appropriately informed to invalidate his stated belief that, in a vacuum, your posts have been wolfy?
If we're being extremely literal-minded - and apparently we are - Boober didn't say my posts have been wolfy. "Not villagery at all" isn't the same thing. Neutral things are not villagery at all, for example.
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02-24-2014 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
LOL

I have votes.

[x] Make most villagery post in the entire thread by miles.
[x] Get called wolfy and disingenuous.
[x] Scoff at people that are bad at WW.
[x] Profit.
[x] Get around to lynching wolves eventually/stop trolling bad WW players.
[x] Win?
[x] Hopefully?
check-list defense. Classic wolf maneuver.
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02-24-2014 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Hero Value
Yes Redd I was kind of joking about the purple/red Wolf stuff.
I originally thought that Tappo was Wolfy seeing as he was in randomly inquiring a lot and seemed to be shifting focus around onto others, but now I think his further inquisition is genuine and so he get a villagery lean (y).

Also, are we allowed to bold things that aren't people's names/votes in this thread?
Skype tell. Get him!
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02-24-2014 , 04:52 PM
I see a lot of squirming by Bhuber on the previous page. Blinders don't seem to suffer from rust.

FTR, I had seen tappo do that ask a lot of early questions thing before and I called him a wolf for it and I was wrong. So I just felt like messing with him when he asked me about my vote. (obv not saying it is villagery for him, role-neutral)
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02-24-2014 , 04:55 PM
Hero Value, I'd suggest posting more. Otherwise I foresee a lynch coming your way this week.
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02-24-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
so I will waste another post today to address some of the full blown stupidity that is already occurring.

First off, ihcjay voting me is odd considering we just ran train on a village as wolves together and I am a villager here. He should have a good beat on my wolf game, especially considering that we had some back and forths in chat and via pm about strategy.

Secondly, this ****y post restriction necessarily prohibits me from playing my normal game. If you are looking for me to sound like I usually do then you're not gonna get it since I usually pop off 50 posts in 60-90 minutes when I actually have time to post. Read past PoR games I have been in (maybe only a couple ever) and I'm sure you'll see the same thing.

Thirdly, I don't even understand the meaning of hate documentarian's posts, but I am just going to assume it is hoya and let him be.

Fourth, of course I am lurking since that is the only way I can keep up and know that I will still have posts to contribute normally tomorrow. Those 5 villa leans and my wolf lean on soah are still where I am at right now.

Lastly, I know soah hates me and attempts to discredit me in every werewolf game (and even in other random threads at times), but having another player on ignore is not good for the game. Also, he has never explained what time he thought the thread was going to open or why he thought that.
You get 80? posts and unlimited posts at 1 hour before EOD. You aren't really "wasting" posts here. I'm a bit suspicious of that attitude; the rest of us don't seem to have a problem.

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Originally Posted by Hero Value
Yes Redd I was kind of joking about the purple/red Wolf stuff.
I originally thought that Tappo was Wolfy seeing as he was in randomly inquiring a lot and seemed to be shifting focus around onto others, but now I think his further inquisition is genuine and so he get a villagery lean (y).

Also, are we allowed to bold things that aren't people's names/votes in this thread?
You can bold and color quotes without fear. The bolding names is for the automagic vote counter. This is your first game of WW, right? See anything weird to you? Sometimes beginners luck is real because you aren't cognizant of "tells." Point out whatever strikes you as odd or disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by tappokone
Didn't you say somewhere that Redd has done that to you as a wolf?
Yep, under specific circumstances where I had incorrectly lock cleared him for other reasons, so he was very relaxed and could fake-villa it up. Still think he's a villa so far though.

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Originally Posted by Hate Documentarian
hatematrix.db indicates that term "mindmeld" is appropriately employed at critical points (a/k/a inflection points, high leverage situations) and meaningless in early stages of Werewolf games.
Thanks for the contribution.

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Originally Posted by XXsooted
check-list defense. Classic wolf maneuver.
A joke?

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Originally Posted by tappokone
Skype tell. Get him!
I thought that too
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02-24-2014 , 04:58 PM
The skype tell thing just went way over my head. I guess I dont understand it, heh.

I actually kind of liked CDL's third post btw.
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02-24-2014 , 05:00 PM
Votes from post 1 to post 208
Night in 28:00:57

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VotesLynchVoters
2 PimpYoRide ReddBoiler (30), Perdition (12)
1 Hate Documentarian Top Tier Tom (25)
1 ReddBoiler tappokone (32)
1 ihcjay bhuber2010 (25)
1 Perdition iversonian (5)
1 bhuber2010 XXsooted (7)
1 CalledDownLight ihcjay (23)
1 soah CalledDownLight (3)
1 iversonian soah (15)
3 not voting PimpYoRide (4), Hero Value (2), Hate Documentarian (18)
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02-24-2014 , 05:00 PM
thomas, go herp derp on me again so that i can clear you.
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02-24-2014 , 05:01 PM
bieber
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02-24-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by XXsooted
check-list defense. Classic wolf maneuver.
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Originally Posted by XXsooted
I see a lot of squirming by Bhuber on the previous page. Blinders don't seem to suffer from rust.

FTR, I had seen tappo do that ask a lot of early questions thing before and I called him a wolf for it and I was wrong. So I just felt like messing with him when he asked me about my vote. (obv not saying it is villagery for him, role-neutral)


My initial response would be to just troll (mostly because I am trying to put myself in your shoes for a few minutes to try and see things from your perspective).

I couldnt.

I literally have no idea how you interpret what I've done so far as squirmy/wolfy.

So I have resolved to leave you alone for a few hours and see if you share anything other than your lock wolf read of me. Since apparently thats how you "feel".
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02-24-2014 , 05:02 PM
looks like cdl is laying cover for being utr by being fake mad at the por. lol, 3 posts.
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02-24-2014 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
The skype tell thing just went way over my head. I guess I dont understand it, heh.

I actually kind of liked CDL's third post btw.
It's not that hard to sound genuine if you only make defensive rage posts once per day.

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thomas, go herp derp on me again so that i can clear you.
Would it make you feel better if I said I bet one if you or CDL is a wolf? Maybe both?

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bieber
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looks like cdl is laying cover for being utr by being fake mad at the por. lol, 3 posts.
Is the boober vote because he just said he likes CDLs post or what
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02-24-2014 , 05:07 PM
CalledDownLight

Come play with us! We're lonely.
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02-24-2014 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
You said that I should have voted for no one, which is to say that you found everyone's posting to be exactly role-neutral, and you have a problem with anyone who thinks otherwise. This is absurd.
I talked about the reason for the vote, not how you should have ranked the three people who had posted up to that relative to each other.

Also, there's no need to to find someone wolfy when a large majority of the players have not posted once.

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Anyone who shows up and fluffs while making no effort at progressing the game is >rand to be a wolf (the exact amount dependent upon the details of the circumstances). Voting for anyone who is >rand to be wolf on page 1 is all fine and great.

Your opposition to the Pimp and iversonian votes is somewhat perplexing given that you offered no alternatives on who to vote for except for those which were dependent upon the Pimp/iversonian votes being bad. Given that the premise is illogical, the conclusion is as well.

Even more perplexing is that you yourself make all sorts of nitpicky, pedantic observations at the start of the game and yet you criticize others for making thin votes at the very start of the game.
You're missing the point pretty badly. I don't dislike thin votes as rule. If I say I don't like your reasoning for a vote, it's your reasoning I don't like, not the fact that you cast a vote in the first place.
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02-24-2014 , 05:14 PM
Soah,

Did you ever explain this?

"Lastly, I know soah hates me and attempts to discredit me in every werewolf game (and even in other random threads at times), but having another player on ignore is not good for the game. Also, he has never explained what time he thought the thread was going to open or why he thought that."
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02-24-2014 , 05:18 PM
TTT of all people should know that 80 posts a day is not very many considering he posted something like 700 times in Disney. Iversonian should know likewise.

Lol at sighting me posting 3 times as a reason to think I am a wolf after I posted 369 times (third most) in the mishmash that just concluded in under 3 days despite being afk until like 5 pm on d1 (meaning I posted >365 times in 48 hours when the thread was locked for ~20 of those).

When a mod institutes necessarily pro-wolf rules, I will do my best to come up with a legal countermeasure. In this game the best method would be for all of us to not post until say 7-9 am on the second day of each gameday and then play it out like normal. Obviously, no one else wants to do it, but I won't let the suboptimal strategy of others weigh on me. Real time interactions are what make the game and put pressure on wolves. Allowing wolves to space 80 posts across 48 hours lets them coast without ever having to make a high pressure post save near a close lynch.

It is far more likely wolves would want to lynch me for this logical reasoning and GTO play than villas, especially when I laid it out in the signup thread expressing my displeasure with the rule.

Here are the posts:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=19
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in.

prefer no post restriction.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=29

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I'll probably post in spurts where I can interact if there is a post restriction. May wait til the second irl day of each day in order to get my thoughts out in a normal manor that isnt forcing me to play awkwardly.

I encourage you guys to make tomorrow the high activity day where we can get a plethora of real time interactions and actually find wolves instead of bull****ting for no reason. I hope no one decides to post overnight as those are purely wasted posts with a PoR.
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02-24-2014 , 05:19 PM
Haha, this is definitely not hero's first game (did he say somewhere it was)?
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02-24-2014 , 05:22 PM
Will PimpYo gimmick come back and post again today

-350 No
+225 Yes
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02-24-2014 , 05:26 PM
Whilst I disagree with the general notion that CDL is talking about (wrt to posting primarily tomorrow) - I am back to thinking he's a villager.

I like him so far.

(and so as to not waste another post as to why I disagree wrt to the whole conserving posting thing.

Its a slow game. I know I primarily enjoy these because I am under no pressure to post at any given time and for hours at length. I also know for a fact that I wont be able to post as much tomorrow afternoon in the hours leading up until the lynch...if you would like to me to conserve my posts until tomorrow...well, you would have no idea whether or not I am a villager or a wolf because I'll hardly be posting tomorrow after noon from 5pm-8pm EST when we're supposed to be outting wolves in "high pressure situations").

I would surmise there are a number of other people who wont be around tomorrow/tomorrow afternoon for a viarety of reasons (i.e. work, sleeping, masturbating, scared to post as wolves for fear of being outted, yada yada).

Post in real-time when you're available, dont be superfluous/extraneous, and save yourself a few posts by not addressing stupid **** in the few hours before the 1 hour rule (so you dont accidently run out).

IMO. Y'all can debate the strategy of posting/not posting amongst yourselves. Lets catch dem wolves too though.
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02-24-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
TTT of all people should know that 80 posts a day is not very many considering he posted something like 700 times in Disney. Iversonian should know likewise.

Lol at sighting me posting 3 times as a reason to think I am a wolf after I posted 369 times (third most) in the mishmash that just concluded in under 3 days despite being afk until like 5 pm on d1 (meaning I posted >365 times in 48 hours when the thread was locked for ~20 of those).

When a mod institutes necessarily pro-wolf rules, I will do my best to come up with a legal countermeasure. In this game the best method would be for all of us to not post until say 7-9 am on the second day of each gameday and then play it out like normal. Obviously, no one else wants to do it, but I won't let the suboptimal strategy of others weigh on me. Real time interactions are what make the game and put pressure on wolves. Allowing wolves to space 80 posts across 48 hours lets them coast without ever having to make a high pressure post save near a close lynch.

It is far more likely wolves would want to lynch me for this logical reasoning and GTO play than villas, especially when I laid it out in the signup thread expressing my displeasure with the rule.

Here are the posts:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=19


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=29


I encourage you guys to make tomorrow the high activity day where we can get a plethora of real time interactions and actually find wolves instead of bull****ting for no reason. I hope no one decides to post overnight as those are purely wasted posts with a PoR.
Eh. I can kinda believe that you believe this. I just don't think you're necessarily correct that only real time posting is meaningful. Guess I'll wait until you spaz out before voting you. Any early wolf leans while you're here? Other then me for calling you out...

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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
Haha, this is definitely not hero's first game (did he say somewhere it was)?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=16

Guess he said it was his first game on POG.

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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler
Will PimpYo gimmick come back and post again today

-350 No
+225 Yes
I wonder what Hate Doc is up to.

Hate Documentarian
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02-24-2014 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
Whilst I disagree with the general notion that CDL is talking about (wrt to posting primarily tomorrow) - I am back to thinking he's a villager.

I like him so far.

(and so as to not waste another post as to why I disagree wrt to the whole conserving posting thing.

Its a slow game. I know I primarily enjoy these because I am under no pressure to post at any given time and for hours at length. I also know for a fact that I wont be able to post as much tomorrow afternoon in the hours leading up until the lynch...if you would like to me to conserve my posts until tomorrow...well, you would have no idea whether or not I am a villager or a wolf because I'll hardly be posting tomorrow after noon from 5pm-8pm EST when we're supposed to be outting wolves in "high pressure situations").

I would surmise there are a number of other people who wont be around tomorrow/tomorrow afternoon for a viarety of reasons (i.e. work, sleeping, masturbating, scared to post as wolves for fear of being outted, yada yada).

Post in real-time when you're available, dont be superfluous/extraneous, and save yourself a few posts by not addressing stupid **** in the few hours before the 1 hour rule (so you dont accidently run out).

IMO. Y'all can debate the strategy of posting/not posting amongst yourselves. Lets catch dem wolves too though.
well, if you can't be here tomorrow that is reasonable and of course you should post today in that scenario. I would hate it if the whole thread becomes people who have excuses for slanking though. I don't like slow games or post restriction games because the pace is hard to tolerate, but I wanted to play WW and missed the gimmick game bc I don't usually scan too far down the page for signup threads.

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Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
Eh. I can kinda believe that you believe this. I just don't think you're necessarily correct that only real time posting is meaningful. Guess I'll wait until you spaz out before voting you. Any early wolf leans while you're here? Other then me for calling you out...



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=16

Guess he said it was his first game on POG.



I wonder what Hate Doc is up to.

Hate Documentarian
I actually have a village lean on you. Soah is ignoring the fact that he supposedly knew when the thread was going to open. He is my only wolf lean thus far.
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02-24-2014 , 05:37 PM
aint it always the way
buncha white men gather and the black man gets lynched
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02-24-2014 , 05:39 PM
Top Tier Tom, bhuber, tappokone, xxsooted all homies right now
reddboiler he hiding behin not likin gimmicks
perdition still a honky yo
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