you cannot possibly expect anyone to believe this

SO I'm definitely a villager and you definitely know this right?

I think you are a villager and have thought so. Do I know? No. But I'm not going to let that get in the way of a nice rant

WN is villagery on this page.

explain?

Also

if you dotn want people insulting their game, maybe you shouldnt insult their game every chance you get either Well Named.

You've already made it very apparent you think my villager sucks, so much so you felt the need to share that last game. It shouldnt rustle your jimmies that I feel the same way in regards to your villager game.

I kidn of admit I think your villager game is leap years ahead of mine, but I dont think that means every stance you take is right and every stance I take is wrong.

I think typically you are a fun player to play WW with but its not fun in general to read that coming from someone else. I dont have a good history of taking insults lying down without responding back. Maybe one day when I grow up I'll find a way to respond better though lol



With all that being said - I think you're probably a wolf this game

I'm sorry I insulted you last game. I probably shouldn't insult you this game either. I'm just mad. It is not fun to play with people putting you down. I am quite frustrated lately because it feels like every game I get heat for reasons which I think are not just wrong, but incredibly disconnected from how I actually play as a wolf. That is all

I'm sure, if you are a villager (:P), that you are just doing the best you can. But you have a tendency to call me wolfy for bad reasons and to not really seem to care about the fact that you are wrong. You infuriated me last game by not even being willing to really engage with me at all or consider what I was saying. You just blew me off. You're kind of doing the same thing here. It is one reason why I think you are villagery, although not the only. I don't like getting lynched and I don't take to it kindly. I will try not to be a complete dick about it though.

Like I said, I'm aware I suck and that also frustrates me. So it's not all about you anyway.

If we lose this game and ihcjay is a wolf I demand to be given a win anyways. Its not my fault that no one else sees what seems so blatantly obvious.

I find a lot of the first part of this post wolfy. I don't know if I can adequately express why. I believe that wolves have a tendency to start off the day with reflections on things that are like, both at once too obvious and too shallow, as a way of easing in

And I feel like the kind of case tom is making here, and the way he gets around to stating it, feels way too constructed. Like the argument is "people who stayed off v/v wagons are more likely to be wolves". But why is that even true? Why is it natural to be suspicious? it's just kind of an aphorism with nothing behind it. And he doesn't even come out and just say it, he starts off with this whole "fun, v/v wagons" and the transition from there into the actual substance of the read feels fake to me. It just feels more like the kind of an argument tom would make as a wolf because he thinks he can rep it than an actual argument that he would really believe

I'm just quoting this so that you know that I'm not ignoring it. I'm not responding to it because for the most part it makes no sense.

I dont actually think you suck and I'm sorry I even implied that. I do think you are one of the top villagers on POG. I tend to respond to what I perceive of slights in a very immature, elementary way sometimes.


I should have read your posts last game without you having to hound me. I was afraid that you were a lock wolf who was going to talk me out of voting you so I was trying to stick to my stance and see if you would give up. After you didnt give up I had a slight lightbulb doing off in my head type of aha! moment and tried voting JD(another villager) but it was too late then.


CLIFFS; I'm sorry - I'm not purposely trying to be a douche


I'll never sabotage a village again by ignoring someones posts.


Alright - onto bigger and better things like lunching some LOLWILves

That your wolf and villager meta has merged so much that you're just as likely to push a villager in either role?

Because that's what you are doing.

I can't even believe that you believe what you are saying anymore.

I've shown you, with quotes from previous games, why your point is wrong about wolves using their posts and yet you still insist it is wolfy.

Show me I'm wrong on you because you TYPING LIKE THIS isn't going to do it for me.

And I'm flattered that you think I can post like this as a wolf, but I can't. You wolfed with me last game. How many people did I push, how many page long fights did I get into.

None

Soah

these insult and apology posts by wn and redd sound very...weird. I'm not sure what it says about their roles, but the interaction is unlike any I ever recall seeing in a WW game.

This is half-way down page 1. Bhuber seems to really like Tappokone's posting. The problem is all Tappokone had been doing really was asking people to explain their entry-level votes which obviously will have very little reasoning behind them. So this point by bhuber seems to be totally BS. Someone in the bhuber = villa camp care to respond?

What makes it worse is that he is even saying that tappokone is capable of some these things as a wolf, but somehow he likes the way that tappokone did it in this opening half-page of the game.

The only reason it makes no sense to you is because you don't have a good answer to it.

You don't want to push perdition because he tends to get mislynched. I say I tend to get mislynched. You disagree. You pull quotes from two of my past village games. I tell you I was mislynched in one and almost mislynched in another. You say that makes no sense.


YOU make no sense.

I did relent on this and your refusal to acknowledge this is wolfy. I even said that it appears that wolf teams are missing out on a huge equity edge by not exploiting that flaw in game mechanics. A bigger flaw that they are missing is not "accidentally" using a few too many posts to get votes on themselves and then getting clear for being so careless.

Right your whole counter was, well then they are playing dumb. But you have yet to acknowledge that its not a play that wolves tend to use. Which was your original premise.

lolWN

I did say that. In fact, the words "I did relent on that" in my previous post even reiterate that it seems like wolves often miss such an easy fundamentally sound play.

I think its villagery of WN to be contrarian to the thread but my main issue that makes him seem wolfy is his confidence in Iversonian's role.

Even if he is right and Ivers is a villager, it seems like something that is hard for another villager to be that confident about

Still catching up, but I want to drop a question about this post first:

Can you reference what other times you've seen it happen which has made you sick and tired of it? We've barely played together, I don't recall you being one of the idiots who tries to lynch me every single day of every single game, and the only way I escaped lynch for one day in that game where we were w/v was because I hardclaimed seer. So I don't see where this post is coming from.

something else that bothers me:

[QUOTE=Top Tier Tom;42313020]WN here was hinting that he knew Tappo was the seer... yet he's cleary voting for his peek? Ruh roh!

TTT mentions what I said about not lynching tappo and goes after me for TMI, but then why didn't he quote this post from me:

I can't think of a good reason for a villager to do that thorough of a re-read, conclude that I had wolfy TMI about tappo, but omit one of the two posts I actually made on the subject. And then explicitly call me out ("rut roh") for something that I explicitly acknowledged at the time

Tom: explain?

Here is the whole post.

Boiler and CDL he literally says nothing in those paragraphs. I mean actually literally, if you disagree tell me what he said.

And then look how uncomfortable he is giving me a wolf lean. He says "PERHAPS the worst opening (just my opinion)" but then gives what amounts to a lot of reasoning for that stage of the game on why he didn't like me. But he doesn't vote me. Compare to other people that vote easily early on (and then get quizzed by tappo about it).

There are a few possible reasons why a wolf would behave this way. For example he knows I am a villager and is uncomfortable calling me a wolf. Whatever the reason though it makes more sense for a wolf to be uncomfortable than a villager.

fix my quotes :P

TTT mentions what I said about not lynching tappo and goes after me for TMI, but then why didn't he quote this post from me:

I can't think of a good reason for a villager to do that thorough of a re-read, conclude that I had wolfy TMI about tappo, but omit one of the two posts I actually made on the subject. And then explicitly call me out ("rut roh") for something that I explicitly acknowledged at the time

Tom: explain?