were those his only seer picks? then ya, one of those is wrong. id go

dciace

didnt sb come out and say he was roleblocked?

Would wolves double-up? I'd assume just roleblock.

That said, if it's legit that vyk likely did not get Angeled, karak/me/nath gotta go I guess? This is why I was paranoid when that came out.

I'm a villager, but I get it. I don't feel like throwing Karak or Nath under a bus right now because they're both probably in my top 1/3rd of villagery people if I were to make an everyone-list. I'll try to read back and pick one later if it's important.

yea i had kinda thougth of that but it makes more sense now.

i tend to agree with now that nath, dciace, or karak is a wolf. i like nath and karak as wolves the most on that list. fwiw if you compare that list to votes on day 1, DCIAce and Karak voted IRM, while nath voted Tuma.

I'd say of that list that makes DCI and karak the best shots at being wolves.

yes

Does this mean there is no more line wagon? Can I finally have my goddamned line wagon when I am dead and flip villa?

You would never roleblock and vig, right? Honestly this question might be a new low even for me. I'm 99.99999% sure you would not just checking.

If Vyk's peeks were all accurate then it's just unfathomable that they wouldn't take a shot at both SB and Vyk that night. Killing seers is the #1 priority of wolves.

I think Meb and Showerman have posted conditional "If I am seer" posts as well. Neither of them is dead which suggests one or more of their fake peeks is wrong, too.

Sure, wolves would roleblock and try to kill a claimed seer. There's a good chance the seer is angeled and the roleblock guarantees the seer won't have another peek if he survives.

It didn't occur to me that you would, in which case I am basically clear (vig shot one "seer" and failed, roleblocker blocked the other). They could've doubled up on SB though?

I'm a big fan of "If I'm a seer" posts, I don't see any downside to them assuming good participation.

Never caught on though.

well, with vyk adamantly proclaiming seer, and meb and showerman following, id imagine the wolves felt there was a pretty good chance steroid boy wouldnt be angeled.

I've been suspect of Karak a long time. Also my reads have only been so so. I'm not confident enough to wagon him. I'm not voting anyone that Palo and whitegoose think are bad choices either.

it could also suggest they are wolves. and they claimed seer to confuse our angel.

I'm definitely not a wolf. I was pushing the tuma wagon hardest and at the last second for the first two days when it was in doubt. I haven't been paying attention as closely since then so I haven't had much more to contribute.

I think it's very likely MEb is as well.

I think today we need to look into lineguy, pvn, debo, nutshot.

Actually best to not forget VarianceMinefield. At first I thought he and Palo were villagers because they agreed with basically everything I said, but with Palo cleared + Victor's suspicions on VMF I'm more confident that he may be just piggybacking obvious villager opinions.

I really think showerman is a wolf. He "peeked" me as a wolf, which isn't too controversial and could easily lead a wagon to lynch a villager. It also happened after SB's claim iirc, so it could have been a bit of a panicked reaction to a villager wagon de-railing.

Nath was on Tuma day 1 and day 2.

Karak was on IRM day 1 and UT2010 day 2.

DCIAce was on IRM day 1 and Tuma day 2.

Of these Karak and DCIAce are equally wolfy imho. I believe some wolves almost certainly voted Tuma day 2 since Tuma was a dead wolf walking while of course level 1 thinking says Karak is terrible for being on IRM/UT2010.

Then again, like Karak I was on IRM/UT2010 and Whitegoose was like DCIAce and on IRM/Tuma. So we've got a 100% clear villager doing the same thing as either Karak or DCIAce.

I think if we lynch one of the three it has to be Karak or DCIAce.

Oh. you would. Not a stupid question. Yay.

back on?

I would like to see some wagons on the UTRy hidey types too. I guess I pick Karak instead of you if it comes down to some 3 way vyk-peek showdown, but I'll change my mind if Karak does something better than aiding my line-wagon agenda.

meb also made an obv fake seer claim as a joke a bit later.

showerman is one of the utr posters i've been meaning to have a look at, would be good to get him talking

showerman9

haha, you're right. drunk posting probably isn't the greatest idea.

that said, before i pass out for 9 hours, i was just saying that this is my first game, and i'm a villager, i've just been wondering aloud to my wife (who i've tried to explain this monstrosity of a game) what it would be like to be a wolf, seer, vig, etc.

i dunno. sleep now.

They had conditional "If I am seer" posts. These are actually good for all villagers to do for a couple reasons.

#1 it makes it very clear who your peeks are if you actually are a seer.

#2 if you are a vanilla villager it throws out more seer cover to make it harder for the wolves to find the real seers. Also, it can lead to players getting Seer Hunt Cleared like Victor and wiper were for UT2010's soulread posts of victor = villa on day 2 and then wiper = villa on day 3.

The downside of it is that after 4-5 days almost all the non-seers will have a wrong peek or two and the real seers will be eliminated.

However, the worst thing seers can do is get killed and not have left their peeks clearly or not at all. Seers really need to leave a clear clue each day about who their peek the previous night was. It can lose the game for the village if they decipher a dead seer's peeks incorrectly.

Since seers need to leave the clues in thread and make them clear enough to understand this is why it's good for villagers to leave seer cover to make it harder for the wolves to narrow down the seers.

his seer out was def the most transparent for confusing an angel.

i think our lynch options are

dciace
karak
showerman
vmf