I'm up through 250. Keeping up will be hard today (irl stuff and modding).
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Originally Posted by globetrotter
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this situation. I think it is definitely possible that:- atak was lied to, and bigger is a wolf
- atak is lying, and is a wolf himself
- there is some mechanism and some way that either (1) Would have allowed us to avoid this trap, or (2) Will allow them to survive this trap
It seems to me that if either of them is a wolf, they would have to be a lost wolf, b/c otherwise it would be too easy for the wolves to manipulate this trap in an anti-village way.
If both of them are village, I am not seeing a way at this point that we can avoid one of them dying. Maybe our only escape was to avoid the trap in the first place.
atak, can you please be as specific as possible regarding the nature of the trap as you understand it? did the trap apply only to d1, or does the pm not specify?
Note --- Everyone, Please be very cautious about following any directions given to you in your PM. At this point, we have to assume that not everything is as it seems, and that there could be unknown consequences to any action that we take, particularly those relating to traps.
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Originally Posted by MinusEV
Either way this should be a reminder that we all need to consider very carefully the information we get in this game. In the movies, nothing is as it seems and often it's the most obvious information/knowledge that you don't even think about questioning that ends up being key.
Saw is all about consequences and how all your actions and decisions will have them.
Note the highlighted, everyone.
If what I have been told is correct, then doing what one's PM implied on be should do can be very bad. Think before acting.
Also, it is impossible for both me an biggerboat to have been told the truth. On of our PMs, at least, is a lie. I was told that he is a villager but thinks, incorrectly, that I am a wolf, and that other than that we are in the same predicament (which I have already described in detail). IT is literally impossible for both of these to be right,
because I was told he was lied to — so if his PM isn't a lie, then I was lied to (including about my role, though you won't know that part until I'm dead).
DO NOT DO ANYTHING RASHLY. THINK.
Re whether i would play this way as a wolf, about which there has been speculation: come on. I came out with a bizarre claim on day 1, and am not trying to save myself or engineer a lynch. I have a history of running silent and dep, relatively speaking, as a villager in big mishmashes, so I could easily have done the same. And let's be honest — in general I consider myself a player who is valuable enough that he should try to survive, so there's no way I would sacrifice myself without a particular goal in mind — and no goal makes sense here.
I'm not trying to get lynched, either, so it's not as if I can be a jester or something. Also I pretty clearly know generally what bigger was doing — no way I make that up on the spot. Maybe there's a mechanism whereby this play would make sense if I were a wolf (probably making him one too, as I don't really want to see him lynched), but I can't come up with one.
I'll be out much of the day, unfortunately; I'll do what I can. But if what we get out of it is a semi-cleared villager (him, not me) and a very clear lesson not to **** around and not to trust that everything is as it seems, that's pretty pro-village anyway.