A Fred

Complains about JD and Mac being MIA.



I quoted a bunch more where Steve is still on Felix. I think that's pretty much beating a dead horse now.


LOL

This was 1 hour before EOD. Hifi had 5 votes and Aksdal had 2.

Don't think Steve does this to a partner, especially when Jim sponges him to make it 4.

Left his vote on Askdal, a close 2nd or 3rd wagon at the time.

finally, villa points for Askdal

Did anyone else besides willi think this may have been a peek of me?


I'm giving Magic some villa points for this interaction

also more villa points for Felix for this interaction. Also some villa points to Mac

More suspicion for VR and chrja - villa points for chrja

Okay, to the first point, how is a random vote from Iversonian on Mac in the middle of the day a good vote for Mac?

Second point, that does NOT spew Mac villa. I don't see that at all.

Not sure about this here. He seems to be going back and forth on Mac. Some things he does makes me think he's trying to cast suspicion on Mac (like the argument about the seer claim) but then he does stuff like this. Saying Mac is cleared by these couple of posts from Iversonian. I don't think they make him look good, am i wrong?

Has Steve wolfed many times before?

I think I may have to put more weight in the people he was hating on and less on the people he was loving on. I still can't get over how much he was gushing over teddy and switch, though.

I would also like to say how much is SUCKS that the first 2 dead wolves in the game had less than 50 posts between them. Most of what we have to go on wrt to spew is Steve.

You think I'm a wolf here, ever?

The statement regarding OR and VR says absolutely nothing. It's like he wanted to mention OR without saying anything about her.

Comes to the defense of Mac here. Again, i don't know what this means, he's back and forth on Mac.

Felix responds to this saying "this makes no sense"

I gotta agree

Makes me a bit at willi/supine

I'm saying the one dead wolf that actually posted in thread gushed over practically everything you did. It makes me suspicious. I know wolves will gush over villagers to mix it up. With teddy, it was more excessive.

I'm going to continue to read now that I have time to do so. I'm keeping an open mind to anyone and everyone. Based on what Steve had to say about you, you aren't clear to me. After re-reading YOU and your interactions with everyone else, it's possible I change my mind.

I think that's fair.

VR

TN appears to be ignoring, like, everything that has happened today in his analysis.

Not sure how I feel about that.

How can I not be clear to you? I'm an uncountered RB who gave the village the SK, who also just happens to have claimed.

Yeah. I guess I am. I wanted to do some work and I jumped right in on a re-read of the last wolf killed.

lol, sorry!

I saw Felix's claim but I did not see yours.

Okay we need to clear 4

Aksdal - I don't think he is a wolf, he isn't playing his Villager A-Game but he hasn't been wolfy. Furthermore should he be a wolf he would have been the only one on Necro day 1 - If that was the case I think he would feel bad and therefor bring his best wolf game - This isn't him really trying.

OR - She is 95% fluff and the only reason she is alive is mac's ******ed play so far she has done nothing all game, BUT i reread that game she linked where she was a villager and it wasn't any different.
- So far i have to trust mac or else i will just blame him post game for loosing the game

Gazz - I don't think this is his wolf game - He seems to be trying to solve the game.

J.D. - I need more from him, i don't think i have ever seen a wolf game of his where he is actually trying, but so far this resembles his villa game.

TN - I find her wolfy, but she does keeps on trying and looks like she is actually trying to solve the game. right now i wouldn't clear her.

Supine/Willi - I found Willi wolfy, without being able to say why - So far supine hasn't been that great a sub - Supine help me solve this game, i actually think i am pretty good at reading you but i need you to put on your work pants and work your ass off.

Nofear/VMF - VMF was wolfy, nofear isn't different.

Sun Tzu - Need more where is he? btw i think its roleneutral from sun to be missing he isn't afraid to post in either role.

chrja - Villa

BTW the argument between sun and vmf looked a lot like an argument sun had in another game where he got pissed at one of his wolf mate and bussed him hard. Does anybody know if sun and vmf got any history ?

Conclusion - right now i am clearing: Aksdal, Magic, Myself - and I am willing to trust mac on OR furthermore i don't think JD is a wolf.

I can't find a wolf team that doesn't have Willi/supine on it so he should probably go first. after him i would go vmf>TN>sun

OK - we have
Switch - RB
Felix - Vig
VR - SK

and the fact that we have no one disputing Mac/Teddy means they are clear.

okay, i'm going to take what Steve said discounting others as spew and nothing else. He continually casts doubt on chrja and felix and tehtoes. He also makes a big deal about JD not being involved.

At first glance, it also looked like he was hating on VMF but he actually flip flops on him. So, not sure about VMF/Nofear.

This leaves
willi/Supine
Sun
OR
Magic
Aksdal

Of those, Steve interacts almost none with willi, Sun and OR.

There's my pick for the remaining wolf team.

VoraciousReader is the lynch today?

Forgot to include VMF/Nofear on my "this leaves" list.

In order of V --> W
Magic
Aksdal
VMF/Nofear
Sun
OR
Willi/Supine

willi's start

defending necro

this is what villa VMF does every game.

more heat on Felix

more heat on VMF

this pressure that Magic puts on Iversonian feels like it should be clearing.
i'm taking Magic off of "people to clear" list and putting him on my clear list.

willi hedging, doesn't want to answer.


i do think we need to resolve willi soon. i believe it will spew a few people clear, possibly VMF and Felix based on this first page. Me, too, actually.

i hope you aren't still waiting





it's fun being in the thread all alone

What do you find wolfy about OR? So you think if Willi is a wolf, OR & Sun are his partners?

What do you think about Sun calling you wolfy all game, then ot wanting to vote ubanymore TheNothing?

This post is kinda weird if willi is a wolf. offering up necro like that... I guess it could be a bus. But then the rest of the good lynch candidates are me (villa), Felix (villa vig), VMF (?), Hifi (villa), Mac (mason) and binkles (villa).


I really need to read OR more to see if I think she's been wolfy or if I'm taking on others reads of her. The only thing I've pointed out at this stage is that Steve, the only dead wolf who talked, might have mentioned her once. I think that's telling when he talked about most everyone.

I feel like willi being a wolf makes a lot of sense. I'm in the middle of my re-read of him.

Sun, I am not confident about.

You DO seem to be stuck on that EOD and it's odd to me that you keep on it.
I mean, Jim shows up to tell everyone he's got a very clear tell and for all of us to trust him. He says Steve is a wolf. Several people in the thread jumped right on. He ended up being right.

How does Sun voting for Steve and not me, make him a wolf? I mean, Steve WAS a wolf. Sun voted for the wolf over me, the non-wolf. Just for that reason alone, I'm now thinking Sun is not a wolf because he could have taken me out. But some of his actions have been funky.


I was trying to figure out who to read next. I need to read Willi, Sun and OR to be more confident.

But yeah - gun to my head, Willi and OR. Sun less so.

Mac, have you re-evaluated your read on OR at all since early day 1?

As far as I can tell it's just kind of a fake-peeky thing that has continued unabated and I feel like you're "tunneling" her villager.

I'd like to see updated thoughts on her. I can't get a solid read. IMO there's not much to read here.

On TN: doing villagery work today imo. Still don't know what to think about going straight to rereading for spew before assessing today's situation. Kind of leaning wolfish on that bit because I'd imagine a villager would be interested in being up-to-date before starting a reread. One other thing I noticed that I didn't want to get into before was that it seemed like she was faking lover d1 (with JimH I think? or was it binkles?) which does show a villagery mindset of trying to draw a NK; I don't think a wolf would bother to think of that.

I can't clear TN but she is closer to the end of my list of possible wolves than the beginning now.

I do think it's important to work on clearing 4 villagers rather than picking a wolf team. It's easier for wolves to operate when they can just pick a couple people to push on any particular day than when they have to clear people for good reasons and progress from there. I want to make things as difficult for the wolves as possible.

Oh, and since it's Sunday, I'd like some vig target ideas from the crowd, along with brief reasoning on why they are good targets for tonight.

Votes as of post 3470
Night in 03:58
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
5	VoraciousReader	Aksdal (33), chrja (2), magic_gazz (27), teddyyyr1974 (84), TheNothing (20)
2	Nofear3838	Felix the Cat (36), Tehtoes (11)
2	Sun Tzu	McAvoy (61), OrangeRake (47)
1	teddyyyr1974	Nofear3838 (33)
1	unvote	Swiitch (58)
4	not voting	J.D. (20), Sun Tzu (0), Supine (5), VoraciousReader (21)

iversonian trying to give willi villa points


BUT after this MQ willi did, I am again unsure.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1397


Willi points out that Iversonian asks OR what her main account was. This doesn't seem to me like something a wolf would ask their teammate in thread.

He also points out that Iversonian keeps calling for hotwingz (Sun) to post because he wants to vote him. What do you all think about that? Would a wolf call out a fellow wolf bc he's not posting in a jokey way like that? Or would he call out a non-posting villager who always gets heat before he even starts?

And people wonder why I always talk about my confidence level. 2 hours ago, I was FOR SURE willi and OR and Sun are all wolves. After a tiny bit of looking, I am no longer sure of anything.

not sure at all what this is about. If it's about s being thrown, that's role neutral and it happens every game because we all love each other lots and lots and are BFFS 4EVER.

my 2 cents would be that we would learn a lot from resolving willi, OR or maybe VMF/Nofear.

And I am hating having to type OR for Orangerake because it just reads as or and I keep having to read everything slowly... lol

even though Steve gave JD a lot of heat for not being around, I guess he's still game as an uncleared.


I've gotta get going soon but here's where I am.

CLEAR FROM CLAIMS
Felix
Switch
Mac
Teddy

CLEAR TO ME
Magic
chrja
tehtoes

SK
VoraciousReader

WHO'S LEFT?
Aksdal
JD
NoFear (VMF)
OrangeRake
Sun Tzu
Willi

I will really try to read some more before EOD.