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08-31-2014 , 12:25 AM
I was just watching the Disney Channel. Paraphrasing one of the characters:

Estonian Proverb - "You can't reach the top unless you kiss the bottom."
08-31-2014 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
WWers are prone to like Hamas because of the shared interest in tunneling.


I think there is also a Mets joke in there... But it's probably best left as a exercise to the reader.
08-31-2014 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
I was just watching the Disney Channel. Paraphrasing one of the characters:

Estonian Proverb - "You can't reach the top unless you kiss the bottom."
I was watching some Disney **** today

I'll never be cool with the Mickey/Pluto thing

wtf
08-31-2014 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
atak is too busy blasting israel and defending hamas
There's hard grafting to be done in the trenches of facebook
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Originally Posted by IBeDrummin
According to the scholars at Wikipedia, sometimes "so help you God" is replaced with "under pains and penalties of perjury".
Funny, I always parsed the 'so help me God' to mean 'and let the consequences of my yelling the truth be what they will' sort of thing.
08-31-2014 , 03:36 AM
Damn.

I saw the Sony DSC-RX100 digital camera was on sale for $320 (reg price is $500). It's generally considered the best compact digital camera made. I screwed around reading reviews for 30 minutes. I then went to buy it and it was sold out. Grrr.
08-31-2014 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by amplify
Not bad, not bad. The chorus not working optimally though.

I like this version:

08-31-2014 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
WWers are prone to like Hamas because of the shared interest in tunneling.
Excellent!
08-31-2014 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
Not bad, not bad. The chorus not working optimally though.

I like this version:

That is awesome but A) I reject your chorus premise and B) everything you put behind Biggie immediately becomes awesome.
08-31-2014 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Funny, I always parsed the 'so help me God' to mean 'and let the consequences of my yelling the truth be what they will' sort of thing.
Parsing doesn't work for atheists, if it says God it means a guy who looks like Santa sitting on a cloud and that's it.
08-31-2014 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
if you are asking a serious question
it means if we don't catch you god will!
but i have a feeling you are just trolling
I really wasnt. As the court is a government entity and we should strive to remain secular in our government, what exactly is the point to the phrase. I've met just as many dishonest religious as dishonest non-religious. They don't seem to take the threat of their god as any deterent in their daily lives. Why do I think it should be any different in a court setting. In fact, some religions (like catholicism) have a get out of jail free card with confession, whereby somebody could lie on the stand, ask forgiveness and be excused for the indiscretion.

This is why I think the "under penalty of perjury" line at the end should be used in place of the "so help you god" statement.
08-31-2014 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I really wasnt. As the court is a government entity and we should strive to remain secular in our government, what exactly is the point to the phrase. I've met just as many dishonest religious as dishonest non-religious. They don't seem to take the threat of their god as any deterent in their daily lives. Why do I think it should be any different in a court setting. In fact, some religions (like catholicism) have a get out of jail free card with confession, whereby somebody could lie on the stand, ask forgiveness and be excused for the indiscretion.

This is why I think the "under penalty of perjury" line at the end should be used in place of the "so help you god" statement.

Our government was based on judeo-Christian ethics

While I may or may not personally agree that I'd like to see a truly secular government, we should strive to remain secular is your opinion and not necessarily the opinion of the founding fathers or the majority of our current population base

There are enough religious people in this country that I believe the line is there as an incentive to tell the truth. You may find that ridiculous

But as an atheist it bothers you too say I'll tell the truth so help me god? If anything it gives you a free pass to lie amirite?

Stop bitching yo
08-31-2014 , 08:40 AM
I think many people think their story is so good that their lies under oath will never be caught; hence them doing it. So fear of perjury is not a deterrent

But god knows all
08-31-2014 , 08:46 AM
We're getting three pigs, due in 2 weeks. So it begins.
08-31-2014 , 08:57 AM
EIEIO
08-31-2014 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Our government was based on judeo-Christian ethics

While I may or may not personally agree that I'd like to see a truly secular government, we should strive to remain secular is your opinion and not necessarily the opinion of the founding fathers or the majority of our current population base

There are enough religious people in this country that I believe the line is there as an incentive to tell the truth. You may find that ridiculous

But as an atheist it bothers you too say I'll tell the truth so help me god? If anything it gives you a free pass to lie amirite?

Stop bitching yo
I never said it bothers me to say it, I said I don't think it's a deterent to those taking the oath, and says nothing about the question of perjury. I think people who are being sworn in on the stand should understand that lying under oath is perjurous and subject to punishment under the law, not possibly by some sky daddy.

Also, you are way off on both the founding of the country and the intent of the founding fathers in regards to secularism. Take a civics class and read the treaty of Tripoli for science sake
08-31-2014 , 09:09 AM
I have read plenty

Explain inalienable rights written all over the original documents

when the founding fathers spoke about religious freedom, they basically meant you didn't have to follow the church of the land and you can worship God with however you see fit. George Washington made it a point to visit Toro Synagogue in Rhode Island to let the Jews of this country know he supported them as well as the Christians. but that didn't mean they supported atheism
08-31-2014 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
We're getting three pigs, due in 2 weeks. So it begins.
Do not catch flu.
08-31-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
We're getting three pigs, due in 2 weeks. So it begins.

I would link the Green Acres theme song here but on mobile
08-31-2014 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
I have read plenty

Explain inalienable rights written all over the original documents

when the founding fathers spoke about religious freedom, they basically meant you didn't have to follow the church of the land and you can worship God with however you see fit. George Washington made it a point to visit Toro Synagogue in Rhode Island to let the Jews of this country know he supported them as well as the Christians. but that didn't mean they supported atheism
They were intent on explaining over and over that we should never and will never have a state sponsored religion. That anyone was see fit to worship in whatever way they wish, including in no way, with no governmental interference. At all. Madison explicitly states that we are in no way, shape, or form founded on or currently a Christian nation.

Regardless, were you correct or not (you're not, the fathers do not say anywhere that one must pick SOME kind of religion) the founding fathers and the constitution is not an end all, be all written in stone document. That is why we have the ability to amend it as new information arrises. I hate the hero worship (most specifically 2a rights activists) that is heaped upon the founding fathers. Can you imagine people 200 years from now saying everything Barack Obama ever did was 100% correct and we could never change it? It's absurd. Simply put, there is so much today the founders never even came close to invissioning that makes certain parts of the constitution tough to take seriously. Rewrites, revisions, and updates are common to every constitution across the world.
08-31-2014 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by amplify
Parsing doesn't work for atheists, if it says God it means a guy who looks like Santa sitting on a cloud and that's it.
god might be a cat! or the sun

...

these cats certainly weren't joking about the day or two after use, were they. jesus
08-31-2014 , 10:16 AM
Annie are you a cultural or religious jew?
08-31-2014 , 10:19 AM
i think ive made it pretty clear that im not religious
08-31-2014 , 10:19 AM
he seems pretty religious
08-31-2014 , 10:20 AM
music actually sounds better today than it did before yesterday
08-31-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
They were intent on explaining over and over that we should never and will never have a state sponsored religion. That anyone was see fit to worship in whatever way they wish, including in no way, with no governmental interference. At all. Madison explicitly states that we are in no way, shape, or form founded on or currently a Christian nation.

Regardless, were you correct or not (you're not, the fathers do not say anywhere that one must pick SOME kind of religion) the founding fathers and the constitution is not an end all, be all written in stone document. That is why we have the ability to amend it as new information arrises. I hate the hero worship (most specifically 2a rights activists) that is heaped upon the founding fathers. Can you imagine people 200 years from now saying everything Barack Obama ever did was 100% correct and we could never change it? It's absurd. Simply put, there is so much today the founders never even came close to invissioning that makes certain parts of the constitution tough to take seriously. Rewrites, revisions, and updates are common to every constitution across the world.
Hopefully people 200 years from now will learn about Obama as the monster he is.

Also there are people today who think anything Obama does is 100% correct just because it's Obama doing it.

      
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