what if you were playing this hand in some podunk casino with lollive players at a 1/2 table? i was thinking of going and playing live sometime in the near future, but i am worried i really don't know how to play very well at normal poker, even vs fish.

i was going to assume that random live players are super stationy and don't bluff enough. is that right?

It depends.

The rich fish love to bluff. The poor fish piss their pants if you blink at them

Learn to tell them apart and you win

I guess I understand Systo's instinct that this could be a semi-bluff a huge percentage of the time, but that just means this remains a thin value proposition at a moment when we can either choose to exercise some pot control or decide to burn chips on coinflipping.

EDIT: And then of course we know very little about villain and sometimes we're burning chips at about an 80% clip.

If Im ahead, I want my money in the middle

Im ahead here.

I dont even mind villain semi-bluffing me and winning.

Unless he comes up with complete air in this spot then we are losing.

Gads description was more than enough to tell me that he is a donkey who thinks he is clever

JT isn't part of his range? what about hands like KT and QT? you said he was an erratic player. would he play hands like 67s, but never KT or QT?

i really am a noob when it comes to normal poker

Isnt that just leaving equity on the table though?

Why not just get it in ahead and let the gods handle the rest?

I don't think that's true. Maybe two orbits later it became clear that someone at the table is a lagdonk who villain in this hand was just dying to trap. Maybe it becomes clear that he's a complete nit who only plays pairs and broadway, and is transparent about only betting for value. Maybe you're right that he's awful. But we've only seen like one hand, right? We don't know yet. We can't just assume he's at the bottom edge of poker player aptitude and work from there.

That is his flatting range pre.

That is in no way his raising raise on this flop.

it's lvl 3 of a live tourny. thats like 30 hands tops

also i'd discount AKs a ton because it'll get 3bet pre so often

this sounds good. i will keep it mind. thanks!

Also Gad didn't say he was erratic, Gad said he was snug. Systo has inferred he's erratic based on the AK hand. Just to keep the convo on track.

rarely he has a worse hand than us, and he folds.

sometimes he has a 50/50 hand and we gamb0l it up

most of the time he has a better hand and he crushes us for many chips

no way, read what gad said about this dude.

he can easily smooth call big hands in early position

But that doesnt mean that my read isnt accurate.

I told you

His inconsistency is his sign that he is weak

Him playing a hand aggressively doesnt mean that he has a strong hand

You all make me feel like Im crazy or something

But Im right

I dont see why its so hard to see it from my perspective

I didn't say he was erratic; I said he was snug. It was my impression that he knew enough about poker not to be flatting UTG+1 super-duper-wide, but suited connectors are pretty and I wouldn't be surprised to see him show up with them after flatting pre (not taking into account the raise, obv), especially if he felt that by flatting he could bring some other people along.

Like, I didn't get the impression he was dumb at all. I just don't give him credit for thinking super, super deeply about stuff. There's a wide range of people in-between that.

But we can put some combos of KTo/QTo/JTo into his range pre if you want. I don't think he's really raising them on this flop, even if they do give him top pair. I gave him more credit than that at the time, especially if he tends towards the cautious side of things.

im gonna sould read that villain had two red 8s

Nah I think its A8ss tbh

This does not matter what hand he shows here.

I disagree

If I have a stronger hand I want my money in the middle

period

Isnt that how poker is supposed to work?

Agree.

Systo, if the villain had A8ss, then he'd be correctly raising here against my likely pf range, right?

Yes and you would be doubly correct in shipping on his ass

Let's be clear: I'm a significant dog to A8ss.