It's not even a great cbet board, it's kind of terrible. . .

EDIT: Obv not a critique of Gad's bet, saying that if villain is observant it makes Gad's holding a little more predictable. This probably is not just abuse of position.

Nah I think 3 bet flop

I doubt he is shipping it there. If he calls a 3 bet ship the turn, if he raises, fold. Lots of hands in his range like AT, could be on some kind of combo draw.

I know in an online MTT I get it in here 100% of the time on the flop

Maybe even 3bet minraise

this advice is all wrong

you have no hands where you can get it in and be heavily favored. if you 3bet and then fold to his jam you have given up so much equity if he has a big draw.

I think three bet folding is unspeakably bad

Yeah, I agree with all of this. I can post results at some point, too.

No TR forthcoming, but cliffs: played three events, made it past the dinner break in all three and did decently well but fell victim to brutal card-deadness and lack of spots in the first (at a tough $3k table that included Tristan Wade, Elio Fox, and Sean Getzmiller to my right opening ~85 percent between them and me hovering at 15 BB for like two hours while tossing away hands with no fold equity and no actual equity), spewed off 35 BB in a stupid spot in the second for no particular reason, and then made it to day two (and cashed) in the third, which as a $1k was obv the lowest buy-in of the three and prevented me from frittering away $2.5k in an event the next day (something I'm unreasonably disgruntled about). Hit a super card-dead stretch deep in the $1k and got tilted at myself for playing passive and blinding down far more than I should have, but still literally found very few spots and I think if I'd have pushed some super-marginal hands earlier (like jamming A4o for 15 BB from MP vs. a wideish EP open) I prob would have just ended up busting a few payjumps earlier, so w/e.

Basically didn't do anything other than play poker and hang out with a buddy of mine, so I can't complain about that. Wish I was still there, tho.

this isn't an online MTT

Yeah youre right

I changed my mind

I dont see folding this hand at all.

Yeah Im not sure what I was thinking when I said that

Youre right

gadarene if i were you i would have c/c the flop, and now i would fold

Dude you cant c/c that flop

No way

You think people are folding 77+ to a single raise preflop?

yes you can

you dont need to protect your hand in a small pot by making the pot bigger for no reason

Honestly it sounds like you did a pretty good job of maximizing your fate given some runbad. loldonkaments and all that.

I think he has the best hand here
He already described villain as an erratic player

He is most likely using his positional advantage to determine hero's hand strength. The board is wet enough to where a semi-bluff is extremely viable here.

yeah i mean as played that's fine

i doubt this is true

but even if it is, you have to have a better hand than him SO OFTEN because you win his 1k when you 3bet and he folds but lose 5k when you move all in and he calls

c/c the flop basically lets him play perfectly, doesn't it?

he can barrel with tons of worse hands and I can't call down

he can choose his value streets

and there are almost no good turn cards for me

AA seems pretty standard fold here.

In so drawy board he pretty much always plays sets fast. Both being EP means that he does not have many FD in range and even when he has something like AKs or AJs he has pretty good equity. I do not think he often raises JJ or 88 here.

I'm interested to see the results. I mean if you just use combinatorics here, shouldnt hero ship every time? How many combinations of draw possibilities and TP/JJ type hands are there?

.

But thats my point

There are lots more hands here that hero beats than hands he doesnt

where do you get that from

I still think 3 bet shipping the flop is the best play