That's why we need to start voting and forming wagons.

No, we aren't lynching suzzer today. That would be terrible.

I've played 3 times, and this part still makes no sense to me. maybe to poggers who play it all the time, but in a non pog group, who haven't cultivated the keener parts of the game, isn't this a dangerous assertion.

having said that, the general and his preemptive, can't post meme, when he lives on this site is questionable. and lirva is lirva it seems, in any forum.

You learn to read people. It's like playing poker. Except well named is good at it.




There's peoples posts. But obviously there is less information than there will be later.

Here is who I am not lynching today:

suzzer
well named
RR
pvn

Everyone else is so far fair game.

I'm talking about what role the game mod assigns people. Is that random or do they chose?

And fwiw I started writing that post when Elliot's post was the last one (I'm distracted and on my phone). I agree with Montecore about suzzer being lock villa/devious wolf. Given the odds and also the fact the game can seem confusing at first I think villa is slightly more likely, but given that suzzer's a pretty smart guy I'm still going to watch out for any more signs that he is a devious wolf.

Interesting (and villagery) observation

suzzer: you are not allowed to delete or edit posts.

Oh yeah, sorry.

np -- for TL's benefit: I undeleted the post

oh boy, you gonna be in sooooooooooooo much trouble when mommy sees what you did suzzer.

I'm pretty sure I was better at poker than I ever have been at werewolf

anyway no the trick to werewolf doesn't have anything to do with analyzing potential patterns in role distribution over time. Most people use random.org

Analyzing patterns in the way people post over many games is something people try to do, but obviously it requires people to have played a lot.

People like to think there are certain mindsets and styles of posting that tend to characterize new players when they are villagers and wolves. I think there's some truth to that but the correlation is still actually pretty small. Werewolf games have a lot of randomness to them and almost no one is very skilled at actually identifying roles. I'd be happy if I performed 5% better than rand

The way ww works is that the roles are randed. The wolves know each other. The villagers don't know each other but have a ~2-1 numerical advantage and seers who get the role of one player a night. And then the levelling commences.

You could be lying about that, though, is the thing; maybe you haven't played on here, but you could have played live-style or on a different site somewhere else and be a steath WW ninja.

Vote 4 the General gogogo!

Randomized.

lol, if suzzer is a wolf I'm gonna get him "stealth WW ninja" as an undertitle.

I'll probably get temp-banned again. No one tell Wookie plz

So these kind of heuristics ("Player who doesn't know what's going on is a villager) kind of exist as memes. There are plenty of them, and they come and go out of fashion. When I first started playing a very common heuristic was that "wishy-washiness" in reads was wolfy. I got lynched a bunch of times in a row for it.

If you think of them as heuristics though, it seems clear how they get created. People think they see patterns (usually over a small sample) and try to generalize them. They sort of become part of the metagame in POG. Other sites that play werewolf or mafia have their own sets, sometimes with overlap. But in my experience there's almost a unique "culture" that develops when you have somewhat stable player sets.

Obviously, like you are saying, any single heuristic is trivially easy to exploit. A wolf who is aware of it can do the opposite. A lot of the things people use to read depend on an underlying assumption that wolves "feel" like the bad guys and feel like they have something to hide. If you have wolves that are shameless they could exploit those ideas.

More solid ideas about wolfiness try to catch people in revealing a thought process that depends on them having too much information. because really that's the only thing that actually distinguishes wolves from villagers. The wolves have more information. So if someone makes a post that subtly assumes the role of some player, that may be an indication of wolfiness, because the wolf does know the role already, but villagers do not

It's what rules specifically that he's unclear about. Obviously, if you're a wolf, you don't care about how wolves get assigned because you already know you are one. Only if you're a villager would you care about that piece of information; feigning ignorance about that or (and this happened in a turbo WW thread I was in recently) acting confused about why someone else died at night (when it's in the rules posted in the thread that someone get night-killed by the wolves every night) is another way to seem over the top villa, since a wolf would know all about that since they were just involved in the NK.

I don't think you guys understood my original question. But it seems to have you all confused. So I guess that's good. Or not. Still learning here.

Or just read well named's post, he is much more experienced and orders of magnitude better at the game than me.

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YOU GONNA GET SUED

Suzzer --

Your question in post 105 (about role randomization) was already asked (by you) and answered on page 1. That's why people were getting suspicious (and possibly still are). I still think you're way more likely to be a newb, though, if that makes you feel any better

How would knowing what you are affect your curiosity about how the roles were assigned?