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01-12-2021 , 06:03 PM
It doesn’t really matter, Monte doesn’t need to be resolved yet BUT what is clear is that the kill should be broadcasted by 8:30pm.
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01-12-2021 , 06:04 PM
Still curious what people are imagining we're gonna do about the fact that the best case scenario of our killrate so far has us eliminating the last wolf on ~d10
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01-12-2021 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
I don't think he's a wolf though anymore.

Vigg and the other V guy seem pretty confident about it.

People should have been more vocal about who they wanted dead EOD.

Like for instance when I was all capsing Gad that would have been a great pick.

I've been watching Among Us lately and the classic imposter move is "oh you're throwing the game" which I've seen a bunch of today from him.
i feel like multiple people were vocal about Gad which is why i was so confused to see Donk if Monte was villa
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01-12-2021 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus
But we cant fund the angel actions....because we have no doctors. And no one is suggesting funding the military. Seems a waste?

If its about the cash we could get 20% more not lose 5%.

If we want to start getting aggressive it works, but, sounds like people think were a bit screwed....

I’m sorry, what are you talking about?

Genuinely not following what you’re saying here
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01-12-2021 , 06:06 PM
okay i'm gonna get a snack and then go back and examine the SOD stuff and think about what i think a good platform should look like
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01-12-2021 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
I am fairly confident that's not true.
It is true.

If you look at games from the past ~3 years, I think Monte will almost every time be in thr top 5 posters when he died, whereas as a wolf he'd struggle to make top half.

I'm pretty sure Monte is one of the 5 players I have played the most games with, the only times I have read him incorrectly the past ~several years has been when I thought he was a wolf - due to him low posting. He doesn't high post as a wolf and hasn't for a long, long time.
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01-12-2021 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gadarene
Still curious what people are imagining we're gonna do about the fact that the best case scenario of our killrate so far has us eliminating the last wolf on ~d10

There are mechs we don’t know about. We shouldn’t let them get vigs so I think space race in important
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01-12-2021 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Uglydelicious
Thoughts on my budget proposal?
why do you spread the money between partial lockdown and vaccines? With $75 the tx rate is 0.18 which, with the recovery %s, keeps R way below 1. I’d think it’s a non-optimail utilisation of money for health.
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01-12-2021 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Uglydelicious
It doesn’t really matter, Monte doesn’t need to be resolved yet BUT what is clear is that the kill should be broadcasted by 8:30pm.

By this I mean, let’s talk about things more important than Monte, like who to kill tonight?
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01-12-2021 , 06:07 PM
Still getting some questions about this and that is understandable since I used a poor choice of words. I should have said "recover" not "heal". The "Doctor Heal" is a day action. Any player with POG-19 has a "recovery check" that happens after all NIGHT actions and thus could contract it before night actions, have their actions blocked, then pass the recovery check that same night.

QUESTION

Can a player get cured the night they get POG-19?

ANSWER

Yes. POG-19 infections occur at beginning of the night and the check for RECOVERY happens at the end of the night. So in theory, a player may catch POG-19 at the beginning of the night and and RECOVER by the end of the night. Keep in mind, though, this player would still be role block (if they are a villager) since the check for healing happens AFTER actions.

Also note that since the "Pandemic" policy was enacted today, no check for RECOVERY was done so three people currently do have POG-19.

ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION

Are there more benefits that Universal Healthcare unlocks for the "Pandemic"?

ANSWER

No, the benefits Universal Healthcare unlocks in the event of a Pandemic are described in the policy:

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If Universal Healthcare is passed, rapid testing is done every day automatically for free. It also unlocks a doctor day action: Each day, as a day action, doctors may “treat patient” by targeting a player from the living player list. If that player has POG-19, they are cured at EOD. Additionally, if doctors use their normal night action, it now prevents the spread of POG-19 from or to that player that night in addition to any other effects.
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01-12-2021 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Uglydelicious
Thoughts on my budget proposal?
IDK how I feel about prioritizing space race.

Of course the fact that it's basically a two kill swing does suck. A lot.
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01-12-2021 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mrs. jonnyd
yes please!



i will say i think Vigg was trending villa but lots of people think wolf so idk
They do? I don't think many people have been wolf reading me. Also, you don't strike me like the type who would blindly sponge other people's reads (see for example disagreeing on Monte), what gives?
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01-12-2021 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll
why do you spread the money between partial lockdown and vaccines? With $75 the tx rate is 0.18 which, with the recovery %s, keeps R way below 1. I’d think it’s a non-optimail utilisation of money for health.

I think wahoos math was good, the virus isn’t a huge risk so doing a little to slow the spread while
Investing steadily in a future bad seems good, and gives space to prioritize space race which we really need to beat the wolves with
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01-12-2021 , 06:08 PM
Still feel like ass and while I skimmed stuff I probably missed a lot.

And Chill you can piss right off unless you have a neurologist for your headache disorder as well.

Agree unless Zeus is the next coming, he is not a wolf here. JM and UD also joined my villa leans, VR better but there’s still something specific to her villa game I haven’t seen yet. Hopefully now that she can see.

I think based on what little I know of Bird and how he wrote about it we need to at least try to win the space race. So I don’t like a platform with $0 there.

Gad, Wiggles wolf, possibly cc. I don’t have enough meta with Yawn to have an opinion on the case on him personally but he’s not a villa lean.
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01-12-2021 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Uglydelicious
There are mechs we don’t know about. We shouldn’t let them get vigs so I think space race in important
Fair enough!
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01-12-2021 , 06:09 PM
Current Player Platforms

ladd 2406
aaronk56 2436
JMurder3 2655
fanmail 2646
Dr. Zeus 2719
Sun Tzu 2525
Uglydelicious 2844
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01-12-2021 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Still getting some questions about this and that is understandable since I used a poor choice of words. I should have said "recover" not "heal". The "Doctor Heal" is a day action. Any player with POG-19 has a "recovery check" that happens after all NIGHT actions and thus could contract it before night actions, have their actions blocked, then pass the recovery check that same night.

QUESTION

Can a player get cured the night they get POG-19?

ANSWER

Yes. POG-19 infections occur at beginning of the night and the check for RECOVERY happens at the end of the night. So in theory, a player may catch POG-19 at the beginning of the night and and RECOVER by the end of the night. Keep in mind, though, this player would still be role block (if they are a villager) since the check for healing happens AFTER actions.

Also note that since the "Pandemic" policy was enacted today, no check for RECOVERY was done so three people currently do have POG-19.

ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION

Are there more benefits that Universal Healthcare unlocks for the "Pandemic"?

ANSWER

No, the benefits Universal Healthcare unlocks in the event of a Pandemic are described in the policy:
That’s how I understood it and that’s what I used for my most recent calculations.
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01-12-2021 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Still feel like ass and while I skimmed stuff I probably missed a lot.

And Chill you can piss right off unless you have a neurologist for your headache disorder as well.

Agree unless Zeus is the next coming, he is not a wolf here. JM and UD also joined my villa leans, VR better but there’s still something specific to her villa game I haven’t seen yet. Hopefully now that she can see.

I think based on what little I know of Bird and how he wrote about it we need to at least try to win the space race. So I don’t like a platform with $0 there.

Gad, Wiggles wolf, possibly cc. I don’t have enough meta with Yawn to have an opinion on the case on him personally but he’s not a villa lean.
Talk to me more about me being a wolf, given that this could not resemble my Pandemic game less
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01-12-2021 , 06:09 PM
EV assuming overlap is possible and infected players can be targeted. Uses a simplifying ratio rather permutations because I'm lazy. Also lazy accounting for deaths.

3 people infected tonight, assuming 31 alive total

.15 expected deaths
5.84 expected new infected
8.69 people infected before cures
5.21 people infected after cures

next night I assume 5 people are infected with a handy 0.21 infected dying before, assuming 28 alive total

.25 expected deaths
8.11 new infected
12.86 infected pre-cure
7.72 infected post cure
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01-12-2021 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Uglydelicious
I think wahoos math was good, the virus isn’t a huge risk so doing a little to slow the spread while
Investing steadily in a future bad seems good, and gives space to prioritize space race which we really need to beat the wolves with

Vaccine not bad**
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01-12-2021 , 06:10 PM
So yea, I think we probably shouldn't ouright ignore POG19 but I think we should not plan our whole game around it.

This isn't a Pandemic WW game after all. Who would do that?
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01-12-2021 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Uglydelicious
I think wahoos math was good, the virus isn’t a huge risk so doing a little to slow the spread while
Investing steadily in a future bad seems good, and gives space to prioritize space race which we really need to beat the wolves with
My argument is that you spend too much on the virus... It is more than contained with $75 on partial lockdowns, why do you add an extra 70 on vaccines?
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01-12-2021 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll
My argument is that you spend too much on the virus... It is more than contained with $75 on partial lockdowns, why do you add an extra 70 on vaccines?

It made sense to me to eventually vaccinate
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01-12-2021 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wahoopride
EV assuming overlap is possible and infected players can be targeted. Uses a simplifying ratio rather permutations because I'm lazy. Also lazy accounting for deaths.

3 people infected tonight, assuming 31 alive total

.15 expected deaths
5.84 expected new infected
8.69 people infected before cures
5.21 people infected after cures

next night I assume 5 people are infected with a handy 0.21 infected dying before, assuming 28 alive total

.25 expected deaths
8.11 new infected
12.86 infected pre-cure
7.72 infected post cure
with only $40-50 dollars spent on partial lockdowns, these EV numbers are drastically decreased though!
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01-12-2021 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gadarene
Talk to me more about me being a wolf, given that this could not resemble my Pandemic game less
It doesn’t resemble any villa game I’ve ever played with you either.

I get you’re trying to change things up but the longer I go without seeing villa Gad things like posting lists and leading charges, the more wolfy you sound in my head.
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