Wilson
Carter
Polk
Lincoln

Not sure whom I'd add if I needed a fifth.

are these worst or best?

Best. Yes, I realize Carter isn't on anyone's best list, but I believe he tried to do what he thought was morally right, which is more than can be said for most presidents. Wilson is there for the same thing. Polk is there for being generally effective but mostly for promising he wouldn't run for a second term — and then sticking to that promise.

Lincoln is problematic. I think the single most important decision of his presidency was an error, but I think he made that error for the right reasons.

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but my followup to this is one of those "politics thread thataway" replies.

Feliz Cumpleaños LaNada!

self restraint in discussing political matters is one of the finest possible human achievements

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Yes, agreed. People who spam their politics all over Facebook should be drowned in applesauce.

I just have a link to my daughter's page so I get Lucas pics, random status updates are universally abhorrent.

Agreed. Deleted a good friend just today over being sick of seeing the Obama hatred. About to thin my facebook down to family and women I want to bang I think.

My aunt is a terrible offender at that. I just started FBing for real about a week ago (some of the Kripalu folks convinced me I needed to) and I've had to block my aunt's updates, because she posts political stuff multiple times a day. And I agree with almost all of it, but seriously, I don't want to see it constantly.

I even discussed it with her once to see why she does it; she said she felt she had to to rebut the other side. I alluded, gently, to the idea that she was preaching to the choir (almost all of her friends are on the same side) and that in any case reposting the same tired polemics does no good, but she was having none of that.

I have another friend (and 2p2 poster) who posts political stuff on the other side a few times a day; his updates are blocked too.

This is so true.

And I hardly have a preference as to which annoys me more between agreeable and disagreeable political statuses to my own opinions. Disagreeable ones could tweak me more for obvious reasons, but then agreeable ones get an extra spike of irritation from me too because I feel like that person is giving the right view (IMO) a bad name by acting like a dip****.

Very good point.

Also, what happened to your undertitle?

I kept making remarks about how stupid it was until PJo finally got it taken away.

This might have been posted already. But this is a followup to an earlier post here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...etish-1284189/

That guy makes even Filthy seem normal.

Timi,

The grand plan failed, I only got 5 hours sleep.

how comes

5 hours isn't that bad though

I'll blame noisey awake females.

that guy looks good as a girl.

Match the characters from the same tv show: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Flick/tvshowfun

25/30

lol Jimmy Carter, Mr. Malaise

He gave ineffectual a bad name. Nice guy for building houses though.

Kioshk,

Steve Earle Rock and Roller puts me to bed everytime

I remember you saying that, good song. I think his son, the subject of that song, is now a singer.