yeah

Yes that would be better. At least give them a little chance at life.

Who came up with Georgia's quirky runoff system?

Genuinely impressed with how quickly Musk demolished twitter

The key point is that I don't have to be versed on either revolution to know that killing kids is bad.

You aren't really engaging with the discussion.

Your last point was literally "we celebrate the French for killing kids"-- which we don't.

I don't really understand what you are doing here. This is just like before. You know this isn't something I said. And I know it isn't something I said. And I know that you know this isn't something I said.

Like what are you doing here? If you don't want to have this discussion we don't have to have it. No one has a gun to your head.

So is this your way of trying to terminate the discussion? By telling an obvious lie?

What is your goal here...are you just trying to bandy words?

This was the last post of any substance that you made here-- but what is your point? Is it that we think killing kids in French revolution was ok? Because we don't do that either.

Where did I say we celebrate kids being murdered in the french revolution?

now do Trotsky

imagine being Reverend Senator Warnock and having to go to a runoff against the biggest clown in the history of Georgia politics

Posting a unilateral point of view and inference of other people's comments and calling it a discussion is quite liberal.

Quite the bad beat. Feel like I may buy walker at current price given senate has been decided already.

My perspective is the communists made a whole bunch of bad decisions that killed a bunch of people. Some were malicious, some were done with long term benefits in mind (e.g. modernising Russia, protecting revolution etc.)

The killing of the Romanov's, three kids, is much much much better than the decisions made that led to the famine in Ukraine.

Both led to lots of death.

Killing the people who were seen to be the standard bearers + figure heads for the anti-Communist side, during a civil war, seems like a standard war decision that consistent with their ideology and morality is necessary to protect more childrens lives.

The decisions made that led to holodomor were much more evil via incompetence, malice, and lack of care.


IMO as a leader your decisions always lead to death and the distinction between actively killing someone (Romanov's) and letting people die (kinda Holodomor though this is a huge simplification) is non-existent. Your suggesting that kids lives "in the round" are more valuable and should be a no go. But I can't get behind that

This was the implication. We're talking about killing kids in this discussion and you said:

Ok so you agree you made it up?

Which decisions that led to the famine in Ukraine are you referring to here?

Explicitly denying aid to people who were struggling was very bad, and, in the face of horror continuing as they were.

Then ignoring the warning signs from their own people, treating people who raised the warning signs as traitors, and firing then later killing them wasn't good.

Even Vlas Chubar, who had a huge part in creating the problem, eventually tried to fight it and was killed for it.

Following the wrong form of agronomy was also bad, and, seems to have been done for ideological reasons in spite of evidence.

Ok just a little confused because you referred to it as "Holodomor" in your previous post, which is a specific name given to the conjecture that the "famine" was a deliberate act by the Soviet government to starve millions of people and thus is an act of genocide.

But what you refer to in this post seems like you are mostly saying the famine was not deliberate, and instead was simply unnecessary suffering as a result of incompetence.

Also curious about this. What I’ve seen says the opposite—that the Soviet government provided quite a bit of famine relief.

I consider alot of this a deliberate act esp the rejection of aid and ongoing collectivization

i can think of a couple govts who did clearly, and openly, starve people on purpose

the govts of everyone posting on this page

Deliberate as in “we are going to cause a famine (that otherwise would not have occurred) in order to cause the deaths of millions”?

in the old time, in the old time

in the old time, conscious indifference was not a crime