If I am a 17 year old boy and am in a jurisdiction where 18 is the age of consent and I sleep with my 17 year old girlfriend with her full agreement and enthusiastic participation, am I a rapist?

And if not, what is it that happens in September when I have my birthday and she is still 17 for three more months that makes me a rapist given that we don't stop having sex?

dude wtf are you talking about

he is talking with a police officer about the age of his sexual partner

stop ****ing being dishonest with me

this is embarassing

You mean you only care about your own.

Much like Dustin with his ridiculous "rates of suicide" argument, I find it hard to believe you actually hold the position you are asserting but have rather just dug in too deeply and now refuse to change out of pure stubbornness.

That's the part that makes it risqué.

did OJ murder his wife even though the court said he didn't?????

lol this is definitely projection

Nope. Not what I said.

Actually.........
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...php?p=55828112

I don't remember the last time I saw a trigger warning but most of those things you mentioned contribute to stress to some degree every day.

many things a court rules is rape is not rape and many things a court rules isn't rape is in fact rape

suddenly appealing to the specific legalities of various political bodies to undermine the issue of having sex with minors makes absolutely no sense here

statutory rape is, by definition, when you have sex with someone who is too young to give consent. clearly, as is OFTEN THE CASE WITH LIKE EVERY ****ING LAW AND CRIME EVER (INCLUDING RAPE!), legislative bodies, the police, and the courts, fail to capture this idea when it comes to creating a just society.

Not sure anyone gets more abuse here than Dustin. Pele even just his name! (or old sn)

Are you saying you don't care about your own feelings?

That's clearly not true.

You're constantly having emotional outbursts and tantrums.

like the absolute only thing you could possibly argue is that, legally speaking SOME things that are LEGALLY determined to be statutory rape are not ALWAYS rape in the sense that all participants in a sexual act were able to give consent even though LEGALLY they may not have been able to

making a blanket statement that statutory rape is not rape is wrong

When did I last time I had an emotional outburst? Quote the post.
When VMF was banned?
Yeah that pissed me off. Kelhus too.

And yet you are BAFFLED by people asserting STATUTORY rape aka, rape that is LITERALLY ONLY DEFINED AS RAPE BY LEGAL STATUTE, can perhaps be distinguished from someone being brutally forced to have sex against their will?

this is caused by neoliberalism and the ruling class' incentive to suppress discussion of class interests

If you were an inordinately successful black athlete who married a white woman and were accused of killing her would you trust our existing court system to deliver you a fair verdict?

this is the last post of yours I will respond to until you are able to admit you have attributed this argument to me at least twice when I have absolutely never made it.

I assume you won't be able to do that which is fine. But this is an incredibly dishonest way to engage with someone.

Yep yep
This is a good one The Political Economy of Anti-Racism

all of this today

Ok yeah. Well...we're talking it out still.

I am not being even remotely dishonest in my engagement with you. I am trying to parse what you are asserting using Your Own Words.


And then I point out some rather pertinent ways in which statutory rape and forcible rape are in fact, quite different, and I get greeted with this:

But you made it. In case you missed it, here it is again:

I actually feel pretty passionately on this issue because in many cases statutory rape laws, at least in Kansas, have been enforced super selectively and are, in fact, more about parents policing their daughters' sexual choices including the race and/or gender of their partners than about protecting them from actual predators.

here's the key though

wiggles' post was 100% alluding to consent being questionable

it didn't strike me as a rape joke when I first read it but it definitely qualifies

I probably wouldn't have modkilled for it but I probably wouldn't modkill for posting at :02 and maybe I wouldn't be a good mod

it doesn't seem reasonable to protest a mod for enforcing the rules they posted, even if others would be more lenient

Birdman has made it into sounding like a rape joke.
I mean I didn't even see the joke originally. I missed the post or just ignored it completely so I cannot give my original impressions.
I was told "We're MKing Willages" and we were like "for what?". Nobody had an idea
But the joke is making reference to Creature's age, as Creature is apparently 17. Nobody knows for sure. We do know Creature is in Brazil where the age of consent is 14 and Wiggles is in Ireland where is 17.
I mean....it's a risque w/w love joke. Seeing it as as a rape joke is seeing what you want to see.
But I've already said I respect Birdman for standing up for what he believes in. If someone else makes a joke like this in the future I won't resign.
But still....this discussion does need to be had.