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05-15-2021 , 12:38 PM

#8351

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

back up this claim, Dustin

That's what I'm going to do. I have to do it immediately? It's a big argument.

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05-15-2021 , 12:39 PM

#8352

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

No I'm not walking it back. I think there's a connection between these sorts of ideologies and psychological issues and that there is empirical support for it.

show me

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05-15-2021 , 12:40 PM

#8353

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Originally Posted by Deli_

I just don’t see how you could possibly empirically link suicide rates to trigger warnings

If we can show that this sort of stuff is causing psychological harm, and we can show that increased psychological harm is happening, then certainly there is connection to be made that has empirical support.

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05-15-2021 , 12:41 PM

#8354

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Originally Posted by Deli_

I just don’t see how you could possibly empirically link suicide rates to trigger warnings

You can't, really; no one really knows why suicide rates among young people are rising, but they definitely are:

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Despite concern over the rising suicide rates, researchers aren’t sure of the exact causes. A rise in depression among adolescents, drug use, stress and access to firearms might all be contributing factors, experts say.

Some mental-health experts suggest that social-media use among teens might be fueling the increase in mental-health conditions and leading to greater suicide risk, and some early studies have linked smartphone use to anxiety, depression and sleep deprivation among adolescents.

The recent visibility of suicide in the media and online might also increase suicide death rates, experts say.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youth-s...ys-11571284861

I'd link to the raw CDC data, but it's in a PDF and I'm on my phone at my kids' football game and I can't figure out how to do it.

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05-15-2021 , 12:41 PM

#8355

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you said there is empirical support for the claim that “trigger warnings” (an absurdly ambiguous abstraction) is causing suicide rates to increase

obviously none exists, I am just waiting for you to admit it

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05-15-2021 , 12:41 PM

#8356

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Originally Posted by Montecore

You can't, really; no one really knows why suicide rates among young people are rising, but they definitely are:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youth-s...ys-11571284861

I'd link to the raw CDC data, but it's in a PDF and I'm on my phone at my kids' football game and I can't figure out how to do it.

of course suicide rates are rising

that is very clearly not what dustin is claiming or what we are asking him to substantiate

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05-15-2021 , 12:42 PM

#8357

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

no there isn’t

that isn’t what empirical support is

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05-15-2021 , 12:43 PM

#8358

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Dustin, you've posted videos of another pogger's dead friend and insisted it was a government psyop, and you didn't get banned.

I don't think you need to worry.

Well then why report me

What's the aim there? To just get me to stop talking about this sort of suff?

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05-15-2021 , 12:43 PM

#8359

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

of course suicide rates are rising

that is very clearly not what dustin is claiming or what we are asking him to substantiate

I never claimed it was? I was responding to a specific question UD had, but I'll fade back into the background again.

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05-15-2021 , 12:44 PM

#8360

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

no there isn’t

that isn’t what empirical support is

Umm..

Yes it is. Empirical support is any sort of support for an argument that is derived through empirical methods.

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05-15-2021 , 12:44 PM

#8361

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

But there are a billion factors that cause psychological harm, how can you link it specifically to trigger warnings?

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05-15-2021 , 12:44 PM

#8362

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also we never really addressed that dustin compared experiencing personal trauma like being raped to having a family member who was part of the batista regime be executed for being a slave owner

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05-15-2021 , 12:45 PM

#8363

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Umm..

Yes it is. Empirical support is any sort of support for an argument that is derived through empirical methods.

empirical support would require a control group that isn’t exposed to trigger warnings showing lower suicide rates than a group that is exposed to trigger warnings

otherwise you are just making a supposition

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05-15-2021 , 12:45 PM

#8364

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Originally Posted by Deli_

But there are a billion factors that cause psychological harm, how can you link it specifically to trigger warnings?

You keep saying trigger warnings when I'm talking about a whole emotional-harm-prevention-based-worldview.
It's the emotion-based thinking itself. It isn't trigger warnings per se.

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05-15-2021 , 12:46 PM

#8365

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Well then why report me

What's the aim there? To just get me to stop talking about this sort of suff?

To prevent you from leading this conversation in a manner that is harmful to other poggers, something that has become sort of a casual pastime for you.

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05-15-2021 , 12:47 PM

#8366

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

To prevent you from leading this conversation in a manner that is harmful to other poggers, something that has become sort of a casual pastime for you.

It's pretty hard for you to not find harmful stuff anywhere I'm pretty sure.
But that's not something I can help.

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05-15-2021 , 12:48 PM

#8367

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i think you largely can’t see the forest for the trees if you believe that this is specifically about not making people feel bad emotions, dustin

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05-15-2021 , 12:48 PM

#8368

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Originally Posted by Montecore

I’m not picking on you, this is a joke post.

“Nobody knows why suicide rates among young people are rising”

*world is literally on fire, pandemic seizing the globe, decades of war, genocides all over the place, economic disparities widening, climate change not being addressed, world leaders continue to be corrupt and deceitful, opiate crisis, mass shootings, people working at screens and in cubicles all day, distanced from nature and purposeful labor, and much much more*

Lol I don’t think it’s the trigger warnings idk just a feeling

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05-15-2021 , 12:49 PM

#8369

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

harmful stuff

this is what i mean

you don’t understand the concept

no one is out there trying to eliminate or remove some totally abstract over-generalized category or “harmful stuff”

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05-15-2021 , 12:49 PM

#8370

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

To prevent you from leading this conversation in a manner that is harmful to other poggers, something that has become sort of a casual pastime for you.

I know you are defending the wider community but fwiw I consider Luckbox a walking trigger warning and only ingest his content with care

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05-15-2021 , 12:50 PM

#8371

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

It's pretty hard for you to not find harmful stuff anywhere I'm pretty sure.
But that's not something I can help.

Its pretty easy to spot someone with harmful intent though

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05-15-2021 , 12:50 PM

#8372

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Its pretty easy to spot someone with harmful intent though

Lol. I think you're a crappy mind-reader.

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05-15-2021 , 12:51 PM

#8373

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Originally Posted by Deli_

I’m not picking on you, this is a joke post.

“Nobody knows why suicide rates among young people are rising”

*world is literally on fire, pandemic seizing the nation, decades of war, genocides all over the place, economic disparities widening, climate change not being addressed, world leaders continue to be corrupt and deceitful, opiate crisis, mass shootings, people working at screens and in cubicles all day, distanced from nature and purposeful labor, and much much more*

Lol I don’t think it’s the trigger warnings idk just a feeling

(darkest of lols)

Exactly

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05-15-2021 , 12:51 PM

#8374

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Originally Posted by Deli_

I know you are defending the wider community but fwiw I consider Luckbox a walking trigger warning and only ingest his content with care

I guess that's fine. I'm just about truth and objectivity-- and yes those things can be triggering. I appreciate your outlook.

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05-15-2021 , 12:53 PM

#8375

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Lol. I think you're a crappy mind-reader.

There's not a lot of clairvoyance required for me to just read your posts where you've made it clear this is all really about the Wiggles modkill and you don't care about the feelings of others.

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