So free IDs are available, but if you dont live in the area you were born it costs money to get your Birth certficate

Ipso facto, not free.

Retweet if you agree comes across as desperate

Racism is probably the wrong term to use, but gerrymandering in all its guises is abhorrent.

I agree that voter ID laws probably aren't racist in intent. They might have a racially disparate impact, but it seems super obvious that they are designed to effectively disenfranchise Democratic-leaning groups.

how should you be allowed to not have a birth certificate unless you are a black man running for president?

desperate is a good word. it just looks like the account is run by tweens

gerrymandering -- i can give you the timing of the law may be and i dont have a problem with the judge postponing it temporarily

but i dont get why you never needed id to vote in the first place

it seems super obvious to liberals yes

Because voting predates widespread government-issued IDs?

Purple thumb.

Please tell me this was a joke.

I think you're wrong about the ID thing, but your arguments weren't ******ed until now.

Agreed, I don't know anybody who keeps their Birth certificate their whole lives, and at some point have to end up ordering it (my wife had to order hers for our cruise last year, cost her almost $100 bucks to get it from Michigan)

You can't get a job without either a birth certificate or a passport and you need a birth certificate to get a passport

Why am I wrong about id

Im pretty sure Ive never had to show my birth certificate for a job.

Also, a lot of poor people tend to not have jobs, hence them being poor.

Ive already explained it. You're necessitating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

Dude

Actually a social works too

You need both a license AND either a social or BC

Or a passport

But you needed your BC to get the pic idea

You thinking the problem doesn't exist is

Here's the leader of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives. I'm sure you all have seen this.



Please explain how this is not aimed at reducing Democratic turnout.

There's probably no disenfranchisement issue with voter ID laws provided that you have a long enough (years, imo) lead time and spend a lot of money/effort to make sure everyone has their now mandatory state IDs

afaik the major issue with a lot of the legislation is that it provides for neither, and that rather than being motivated by a desire to prevent actual fraud (which there is basically zero evidence that any occurs, despite years of people looking) it's motivated by an explicit desire to make it harder for certain groups to vote, at least in the short term. That is, groups who tend to be more likely to not already have ID

And so the whole question of "what's so bad about requiring ID?" is more or less a red herring. It's how you go about implementing the new requirement

That and I suppose those who enjoy civil liberties perhaps have some reason to be suspicious of new laws that enhance the ability of the state to track citizens. Mandatory IDs have always been somewhat unpopular for that reason as well (and obv ID-to-vote is not "mandatory" in the same way but it's similar)

Within areas with high levels of illegal immigration (e.g. Southern California), voter fraud can be a very real issue.

I was not aware of that Mark, got any data?

even if it's the case (and again I'm not aware of any actual evidence, but of course I haven't gone too far out of my way to look, so who knows)

it's probably not an issue in PA

Here's two Southern California towns with a high percentage of poor Hispanic illegal immigrants:

The rise and fall of 'Mr. Cudahy'
Fraud allegations mar Vernon election

Neither of these mention if these are absentee or in person ballots

eh, I've had my birth certificate my whole life, as have my parents and my grandparents

how is it hard to lose?

You're white tho

Its racist apparently to expect a birth certificate

oh don't misinterpret, I totally think you're wrong