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I am assured that at one point Alexander Hamilton represented a spy as a lawyer, asking for him to be shot instead of hanged because it was a better death.

12-02-2010 , 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

we're not really debating whether or not assange should be assassinated or the legal ins and outs of it I hope?

not that I would want to try and shut down a discussion but i do think its genuinely shameful that redstate would publish such views and not really worthy of anybodies time

We also ban truthers, so that's double bad for you.

12-02-2010 , 06:05 PM

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Neil: here's an example of the kind of thing I mean re: the wire act, from 2002

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One such statute is the so-called Wire Act, which is codified at Section 1084 of Title 18 of the United States Code. This statute makes it a crime, punishable up to two years in prison, to knowingly transmit in interstate or foreign commerce bets on any sporting event or contest. It is the Department of Justice’s position that this prohibition applies to both sporting events and other forms of gambling, and that it also applies to those who send or receive bets in interstate or foreign commerce even if it is legal to place or receive such a bet in both the sending jurisdiction and the receiving jurisdiction

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybe...ntgambling.htm

See also

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybe...imony42903.htm

from 2003 testimony in the house of rep.

Quote:

The Internet and other emerging technologies, such as interactive television, have made possible types of gambling that were not feasible a few years ago. For example, a United States citizen can now, from his or her home at any hour of the day or night, participate in an interactive Internet poker game operated by a computer located in the Caribbean. Indeed, a tech-savvy gambler can route his bets through computers located in other countries, thereby obscuring the fact that he is placing his bet from the United States.

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Most of these gambling businesses operate offshore in foreign jurisdictions. If they are accepting bets or wagers from customers located in the United States, then these businesses are violating federal laws, including Sections 1084, 1952, and 1955 of Title 18, United States Code. While the United States can indict these companies or the individuals operating these companies, it may be difficult to bring them to trial in the United States.

he doesn't distinguish between the types of gambling at all (Title 18 1084 is the wire act)

12-02-2010 , 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

We also ban truthers, so that's double bad for you.

redstate's opposition to the truth is clearly evident

12-02-2010 , 06:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil S

I am assured that at one point Alexander Hamilton represented a spy as a lawyer, asking for him to be shot instead of hanged because it was a better death.

TOW missle close enough to your "shot" requirement?

Predator's aloft!

12-02-2010 , 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

he doesn't distinguish between the types of gambling at all (Title 18 1084 is the wire act)

Thank you. Much appreciated.

My reading of the law, he's wrong. but the US Code is huge and I may have missed something, in theory.

12-02-2010 , 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark_K

TOW missle close enough to your "shot" requirement?

Predator's aloft!

Mark_K for SecDef.

12-02-2010 , 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

redstate's opposition to the truth is clearly evident

zing!

12-02-2010 , 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

Mark_K for SecDef.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

FTW.

12-02-2010 , 06:14 PM

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zing!

I laughed.

12-02-2010 , 07:01 PM

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Was trying to search for a twitter post of mine and I ran into this.

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26761.html

They hate me. They really hate me.

12-02-2010 , 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

That would be up to a jury to decide.

See the difference?

I think so.

So Americans have rights and foreigners have none. American lives are worth more than foreigners lives. It's okay to prejudge the guilt of a foreigner but not okay to prejudge the guilt of an American.

amidoingitright?

12-02-2010 , 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by riverfish1

Wait. Prejudging guilt?

Are you suggesting Assange might not have actually done it? Hasn't he confessed?

Edit: But anyway, there are different legal provisions for when an American does something versus when a foreign national does something. And yes, Americans have greater rights under American law than non-Americans do. How is this in any way controversial?

12-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

you wouldn't say Assange is a traitor until a jury deliberated the evidence yet you're willing to call him a spy and request his assassination. Somewhat controversial that you're a) willing to prejudge guilt simply because he isn't an American and b) willing to request his assassination because he is not an American.

Additionally, afaik American law doesn't extend to Australia. And I'm pretty sure in Australia he has the right to not be assassinated. So are you suggesting that American law has dominon over Australian law (and probably by extension over all other country's laws)?

12-02-2010 , 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by riverfish1

My position is that when a foreigner makes war on America through espionage or other means, then I'm all for fighting back.

12-02-2010 , 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

Was trying to search for a twitter post of mine and I ran into this.

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26761.html

They hate me. They really hate me.

I like how most of the criticism revolves around you looking like hannibal lector or sucking a goat penis.

12-02-2010 , 07:34 PM

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America and Australia are very close to being the exact same country

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...202-18iav.html

Their prime minister wants to seem him prosecuted in some sort of way.

12-02-2010 , 07:40 PM

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his next target is purported to be Bank of America. unsurprising that the axe will fall before those documents see release.

12-02-2010 , 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by amplify

his next target is purported to be Bank of America. unsurprising that the axe will fall before those documents see release.

unless its a GS ploy!?

12-02-2010 , 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

My position is that when a foreigner makes war on America through espionage or other means, then I'm all for fighting back.

but if he were American you would refuse to decide if he were "making war on America through espionage or other means"

Though if espionage is all that is required to make war on America and for us to fight back - I'm not sure why any country outside of the poorest African ones still exist.

12-02-2010 , 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by riverfish1

but if he were American you would refuse to decide if he were "making war on America through espionage or other means"

Well the Constitution's the Constitution. It doesn't say to give an exception when we all know the guy did it.

I have great respect for the Constitution but its protections do not cover every man, woman, and child on the planet.