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10-21-2019 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
withdrawing from syria is kinda like quitting cigarettes. great! but you're also still smoking crack every day, and meth, and alcohol.

the other substances being all the usa empire military all over the world

which i said pretty clearly in another post a few days ago. but that post was more directed at how full of **** trump is for his reasons to pull out "it's not our border. it's not our problem. why should our troops die?" and how completely full of **** all the dems and pundits are for not calling him out on his hypocrisy. it's because obviously they all want a vast usa empire with it's boot on the throat of the world.
This post is pretty much spot on. Like in a vacuum of course it’s better to not be in Syria but it’s totally unclear why trump is even doing it or even if he plans to follow through. And he is bombing the **** and in the process of invading or sanctioning like 15 other countries so there doesn’t seem to be any kind of principled stand against US intervention is other countries
10-21-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Hi Crossnerd.

I have to say, I'm at a bit of a loss for words so I'll just say thank you. I wish you the very best.

Thank you so much. That’s incredibly generous of you and it means a lot.
10-22-2019 , 09:34 PM
Eyebooger

Are you good with how impeachment is being handled?

No vote for inquiry
No public debate
No transcripts from the members of the Intel committee
No change for Trump's lawyers ton even question anyone

Compared to Clinton Nixon or Johnson, are you cool with how this is being handled?
10-22-2019 , 11:50 PM
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There are 2.2 million people in prison, another 5 million on probation, and some 70 million living with criminal records
from an article on the intercept today. they are of course talking about usa land of the free
10-22-2019 , 11:55 PM
Maybe they should stop robbing, raping, murdering and buying their kids into USC.
10-23-2019 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
No vote for inquiry
No public debate
No transcripts from the members of the Intel committee
No change for Trump's lawyers ton even question anyone
You've just described a standard criminal investigation.
10-23-2019 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
Maybe they should stop robbing, raping, murdering and buying their kids into USC.
more like they should stop being poor
10-23-2019 , 03:00 AM
I am increasingly of the position that public politics is entirely theater and that the layers of opaque bureaucracy & surreptitious finance preclude public awareness of what is actually happening at nearly every level of political power.

Due to the necessary subjectivity of good-ness in a pluralistic space of autonomous actors, I dispute that any particular ideology accurately captures the motives or propriety of generalized political action.



I'm currently struggling with approaching political discussion/consideration other than in focus on individuals' expressed, personal experiences of their relationships with their inhabited society.

Everything else seems too much like dueling propaganda.



I previously thought, with praise, that the internet age would facilitate an emergent amalgamation of individual experience; now I fear a projected amalgamation has supplanted the experience of the individual.

Last edited by iamnotawerewolf; 10-23-2019 at 03:07 AM.
10-23-2019 , 03:15 AM
Maybe the focus on personal experience is essential to democracy.

Maybe the acceptance of a narrative beyond one's personal experience, even (especially?) a bifurcated one, is endemic to oligarchy.
10-23-2019 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
You've just described a standard criminal investigation.
But not a standard impeachment
10-23-2019 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Eyebooger

Are you good with how impeachment is being handled?

No vote for inquiry
No public debate
No transcripts from the members of the Intel committee
No change for Trump's lawyers ton even question anyone

Compared to Clinton Nixon or Johnson, are you cool with how this is being handled?
It's not exactly how I would handle things, but to answer your question, none of the things on your list is of any great concern to me.
10-23-2019 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
It's not exactly how I would handle things, but to answer your question, none of the things on your list is of any great concern to me.

It's okay that a select group of the opposition party alone gets the info only?

Ok
10-23-2019 , 06:42 AM
There are numerous members of each party on every committee. The people who say otherwise are lying to you.
10-23-2019 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
There are numerous members of each party on every committee. The people who say otherwise are lying to you.
Yeah, this.

Mets, what on earth are you talking about?
10-23-2019 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Yeah, this.



Mets, what on earth are you talking about?
Its the current talking point in the derposphere. They want transparency so they can try to get their stories straight and for no other reason.
10-23-2019 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
It's okay that a select group of the opposition party alone gets the info only?



Ok
This is part 94 of a process where you say something like 'yes well, I'd rather the president wasn't [latest revelation] but what I'm really worried about is [minor procedural issue]'.

My genuine question is: is this deliberate evasion, or is it a reflection of your genuine thoughts, concerns? Because to be honest it's amazing the lack of balance between the scale of things you halfheartedly suck your teeth about and those you seem to have a fit of the vapours about.
10-23-2019 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I am increasingly of the position that public politics is entirely theater and that the layers of opaque bureaucracy & surreptitious finance preclude public awareness of what is actually happening at nearly every level of political power.
Great
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Due to the necessary subjectivity of good-ness in a pluralistic space of autonomous actors, I dispute that any particular ideology accurately captures the motives or propriety of generalized political action.
Seems good

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I'm currently struggling with approaching political discussion/consideration other than in focus on individuals' expressed, personal experiences of their relationships with their inhabited society.
Interesting. Can you elaborate on this.
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Everything else seems too much like dueling propaganda.

I previously thought, with praise, that the internet age would facilitate an emergent amalgamation of individual experience; now I fear a projected amalgamation has supplanted the experience of the individual.
I've been wondering what you were up to.


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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Maybe the focus on personal experience is essential to democracy.

Maybe the acceptance of a narrative beyond one's personal experience, even (especially?) a bifurcated one, is endemic to oligarchy.
Narrative and ideology help people make sense of their lives and the world around them, but when so much of that narrative is manufactured by mass media, people become unwitting pawns in agendas that aren't their own.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 10-23-2019 at 10:28 AM.
10-23-2019 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Eyebooger

Are you good with how impeachment is being handled?

No vote for inquiry
No public debate
No transcripts from the members of the Intel committee
No change for Trump's lawyers ton even question anyone

Compared to Clinton Nixon or Johnson, are you cool with how this is being handled?
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I care more that trump engaged in a level of corruption not seen by any other president. Add that to the constant obstruction of justice and abuse of power. But, yeah - that vote for inquiry....
10-23-2019 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I care more that trump engaged in a level of corruption not seen by any other president. Add that to the constant obstruction of justice and abuse of power. But, yeah - that vote for inquiry....
i seem to hear this a lot, but i don't see it myself. didn't the bankers steal about 750 trillion dollars, and obama and bush were in on it?

didn't bush start two illegal wars to increase his power and wealth? obama went along with it

clinton repealed the banking laws so the bankers could steal their googlydibillion dollars.

every president since reagan has been part of locking up millions of people for profit

reagan did the whole iran hostage thing. and it was him or bush1 who did the whole ollie north thing

and i'm really not very knowledgeable about about presidential corruption. but come on, ALL the presidents are corrupt af. trump is def more brazen about it, but he also seems less competent at it.
10-23-2019 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
i seem to hear this a lot, but i don't see it myself. didn't the bankers steal about 750 trillion dollars, and obama and bush were in on it?



didn't bush start two illegal wars to increase his power and wealth? obama went along with it



clinton repealed the banking laws so the bankers could steal their googlydibillion dollars.



every president since reagan has been part of locking up millions of people for profit



reagan did the whole iran hostage thing. and it was him or bush1 who did the whole ollie north thing



and i'm really not very knowledgeable about about presidential corruption. but come on, ALL the presidents are corrupt af. trump is def more brazen about it, but he also seems less competent at it.
No
No
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You don't say
No
Yup, yup.
10-23-2019 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
i seem to hear this a lot, but i don't see it myself. didn't the bankers steal about 750 trillion dollars, and obama and bush were in on it?

Probably--wait 750 trillion. That's a lot. Probably they stole a bunch but not that much.
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didn't bush start two illegal wars to increase his power and wealth? obama went along with it

Yes
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clinton repealed the banking laws so the bankers could steal their googlydibillion dollars.
Yes

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every president since reagan has been part of locking up millions of people for profit

Yes
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reagan did the whole iran hostage thing. and it was him or bush1 who did the whole ollie north thing
Probably Reagan was just a dope while Bush ran things. (Like how Bush II was a dope and Cheney ran things)

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and i'm really not very knowledgeable about about presidential corruption. but come on, ALL the presidents are corrupt af. trump is def more brazen about it, but he also seems less competent at it.
It's just theater like ianaww says. Leave the impeachment stuff for the partisans to worry about.
10-23-2019 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
No
No
No
No
Yeah
You don't say
No
Yup, yup.
you worked in finance, right? it was literally trillions of dollars, right? no one was prosecuted. even reagan prosecuted bankers. now they don't even bother.

clinton, bush, and obama all got piles of cash from bankers. that's textbook corruption
10-23-2019 , 11:17 AM
Bottom line: you're free, of course, to take whatever view you like on the nature of modern politics and the people who rise to the top in it, but if you're blind to the next level pathologies embodied within trump and his whole rotten court then you're doing yourself and whoever has to listen to you a major disservice.
10-23-2019 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
you worked in finance, right? it was literally trillions of dollars, right? no one was prosecuted. even reagan prosecuted bankers. now they don't even bother.



clinton, bush, and obama all got piles of cash from bankers. that's textbook corruption
Show me the piles and the cash and the getting and we'll talk.

Who do you want to prosecute, and for what?
10-23-2019 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Bottom line: you're free, of course, to take whatever view you like on the nature of modern politics and the people who rise to the top in it, but if you're blind to the next level pathologies embodied within trump and his whole rotten court then you're doing yourself and whoever has to listen to you a major disservice.
trumps pathologies are more along the lines of racism, sexism, narcissism, idiocy.... which i believe most/all of the other presidents have to but probably to a lesser degree, and the other presidents were better at hiding it.

but the other presidents, tortured, murdered, imprisoned, stole. just because trump makes our skin crawl in ways the other presidents didn't manage, we shouldn't forget or forgive all their crimes.

trump's court is ridiculous, but so was obama's and so was bush's. obama's rahm emanuel and eric holder are completely disgusting... they are def on par with gulianni and even bret kavanaugh. i mean guilianni was an american hero right after 9/11. everyone was saying how great he was. they are all disgusting scum... and of course bush had cheney and rumsfeld jfc man

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Originally Posted by kokiri
Show me the piles and the cash and the getting and we'll talk.

Who do you want to prosecute, and for what?
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Former President Barack is reportedly set to be paid $1.2m for a series of speeches to major Wall Street firms, less than a year after he left the White House.

Earlier this year, Mr Obama attracted criticism from several Democratic senators when it was revealed he was to speak at a September conference organised by financial services company Cantor Fiztgerald.

Now, it has been reported that in addition to the speech he is due to give next week, the former president has already been paid $800,000 for two speeches he delivered to Wall Street firms - Northern Trust Corp, which he spoke to last month, and an address last week to the Carlyle Group.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7954156.html

i thought everyone knew about the piles of cash. do i really need to tell you how rich the clintons are? i mean you know their wealth increased pornographically after their presidency


as far as prosecutions go, i don't know the specifics. but you, as someone who worked in finance, probably understand that crimes had to have been committed, and not one single prosecution??????

i mean i could google "who should have been prosecuted for 2008 financial collapse" but i didn't think i'd need to.

      
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