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I don't like the 'ignorance is a free pass' and 'everybody gets one' policies that have been implemented here.

If you do something bad, but you did it bc you're a stupid ass, not an evil *******, thats ok.

If you do something bad, but its the first time you've ever done that particular bad thing or weren't paying attention when you did that bad thing, thats ok too.

I'm sure this totally won't result in tons of over-litigation and further bigotry in this thread going forward.

I mean, mets really learned something here! So did Dustin! They seem informed and contrite, don't they??

03-23-2019 , 01:18 AM

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Crossnerd

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I mean, thats the point of penal codes, but I'm sure a person like mets will learn on his own to not be a racist bigot in his posts without outside help. If mets is anything, hes definitely self aware.

03-23-2019 , 03:52 AM

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filthyvermin

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idk... dustin seems to me like maybe he did actually learn something and was contrite?

mets... lolmets. and lol you if you don't have him on ignore

03-23-2019 , 03:09 PM

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Birdman10687

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Like if the media was anything other than a corporate institution who served the interests of the rich, Rachel Maddow would not have a job. Instead Ed Schultz doesn’t have a job because he spoke out again the Iraq war that turned out to be not just a total sham, but one of the most devastating endeavors ever performed by humankind.

03-23-2019 , 03:13 PM

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You can devote your show on network “news” to pedaling a pro-imperialist totally bull**** conspiracy theory for over a year and not only keep your job but receive basically no criticism.

Meanwhile in this thread we have a total meltdown about how conspiracy theories should be banned and how awful they are. Yet not one person who is participating in this meltdown said a word about this far more destructive conspiracy theory that was pedaled by many posters in this thread.

03-23-2019 , 03:18 PM

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Elizabeth Warren and the Dems super salty that Trump would lift the genocidal sanctions against the DPRK:

03-23-2019 , 03:22 PM

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Dems were behind the absolute destruction of Libya and the murder of Gaddafi after he agreed to get rid of his nuclear program after pressure from the US.

Now the Dems want to starve the people of the DPRK so that the US can do the same to them.

03-23-2019 , 03:26 PM

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Meanwhile we’ve got Rubio who is using Clinton’s destruction of Libya and murder of its leader as a threat to Maduro and Venezuela, who we are also doing our best to starve for not capitulating to imperialist rule:

Content warning: violence

Spoiler:

03-23-2019 , 03:27 PM

#17309

Birdman10687

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It is all part of the same system, everyone. There is one ruling class and none of us are part of it.

03-23-2019 , 03:28 PM

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Make no mistake: the goal of the sanctions we put on these countries is to deprive them of food, medicine, and other essentials so much that the internal turmoil causes a collapse of their society at which point the US can eventually exert its hegemony.

03-23-2019 , 03:39 PM

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soah

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Not long ago you were insinuating that the food shortages weren't even real. Now they are, but they aren't the fault of the people who aren't producing enough food?

Food shortages are what happen when you mandate that food be sold at less than the cost of producing it.

03-23-2019 , 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by soah

Assuming you are talking about Venezuela, I don’t think I ever insinuated food shortages weren’t real. I think I called into question the narrative that there was mass starvation. I mean we have people like Mets and Dustin coming in talking about how Maduro is withholding food or starving his own people or whatever—that is clearly ridiculous.

03-23-2019 , 03:42 PM

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Also saying that the goal of the sanctions is to starve people does not mean it’s working. I almost included a post about how impressive it is that these countries are managing to stay afloat despite the best efforts of the US

03-23-2019 , 03:43 PM

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There are a lot of stopping off points between everything being perfect and people in abject starvation. The US is trying and failing to create the later, with VZ somewhere in between those two extremes.

03-23-2019 , 04:07 PM

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soah

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Chavez nationalized large swaths of the agricultural industry. How is it anyone's fault but the government's that they are no longer producing enough food?

03-23-2019 , 04:22 PM

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filthyvermin

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i could be wrong, but don't tons of nations produce less food than they eat?

03-23-2019 , 04:56 PM

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Quote:

THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL Campaign Committee warned political strategists and vendors Thursday night that if they support candidates mounting primary challenges against incumbent House Democrats, the party will cut them off from business.

democrats

03-23-2019 , 05:00 PM

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Booker Wolfbox

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Party discipline, comrade.

03-23-2019 , 05:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox

Party discipline, comrade.

“Bourgeois dictatorship” is the phrase you are looking for

03-24-2019 , 12:59 AM

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kokiri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox

He won't win the nomination but Pete Buttigieg is an interesting guy. I rarely find candidate interviews to be good reading but I found his worthwhile.

Also won't be approved by fans of scorched earth politics:

His interview in The Weeds was great. He's close to tying up my and my wife's vote.

03-24-2019 , 06:43 AM

#17321

kioshk

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This Trump guy is worse than Hitler!

03-24-2019 , 09:46 AM

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iamnotawerewolf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdman10687

the US deprived VZ of neither food nor medicine, and was, until very recently, the largest trading partner of VZ for a long time

03-24-2019 , 09:48 AM

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generally, US sanctions are limited to restrictions of (i) arms sales and (ii) access to finance capital

both of these are what you, I believe, insist that the US wants to "impose" on the target state and that the target state gets sanctioned for because it refuses to accept them to begin with

03-24-2019 , 09:58 AM

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looking just a little into it (maybe 10 minutes?), I find (warning, PDF):

Quote:

The sanctions restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets. Among the exceptions are ... financing for agricultural and medical exports....

you are making things up whole cloth

03-24-2019 , 10:03 AM

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iamnotawerewolf

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furthermore, it seems that VZ has, for years, heavily restricted the importation of food from the US, including any food deemed by its gov't to be "genetically engineered", and also has imposed upon itself a requirement that any food imported not be produce-able locally

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