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09-07-2018 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."

advise and consent

"While several framers of the U.S. Constitution, such as the Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, believed that the required role of the Senate is to advise the President after the nomination has been made by the President,[1][2] Roger Sherman believed that advice before nomination could still be helpful.[3] President George Washington took the position that pre-nomination advice was allowable but not mandatory.[4] The notion that pre-nomination advice is optional has developed into the unification of the "advice" portion of the power with the "consent" portion, although several Presidents have consulted informally with Senators over nominations and treaties."


The president chooses the judge, the senate can advise and consent.

it's transformed into this circus of asking judges hypotheticals, and RGB was awesome when she declined but thats what they still do today.

but the president gets to choose his judges. always has.

bork was declined. miers probably would not have been confirmed so she backed out

but neither of these were based on their decisions made or how they would hypothetically rule in a case
Man, how through the roof pissed is Mets going to be when the dems win the presidency and Senate in 2020 and increase the court size to 13?
09-07-2018 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Seriously?
Ya know, except in the last year of a term*


*for some reason we have no capacity to explain
09-07-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
You realize they chose not to have the hearing because senators that understand their duty like grahm would have confirmed him
Holy **** in Metsy world this somehow makes that farce better
09-07-2018 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
btw Cornyn is still, today, after supposedly everyone knows that the committee released the confidential emails, wanting to bring Booker up on ethics charges

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...40209b39cb7ee3

so, yeah, I call bull**** on the "Booker knew, Cornyn didn't" claptrap


Here is bookers interview with anderson cooper last night, where he doesnt deny he was told this morning, but is claiming he broke the rules on wednesday

yet his spartacus speech was yesterday

please dwetzel, calling bs is hurting your case

booker did know, and cornyn didnt at that point.

it was grandstanding

09-07-2018 , 01:19 PM
so his answer is at 8 pm last night

cooper: so when you released the emails, is it true that they were clear?
booker: when i broke the comittee rules last night (wed which was before he sent any emails), they had not been clear

lol dwetzel
09-07-2018 , 01:20 PM
its actually more funny that he thinks this is helpign his 2020 campaign
09-07-2018 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Ya know, except in the last year of a term*


*for some reason we have no capacity to explain
Because Biden supported doing it like that in 1992, I'm learning so much here
09-07-2018 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lenC
Because Biden supported doing it like that in 1992, I'm learning so much here
and your current senate minority lead supported doing it in 07 18 months before the election

im glad you are learning
09-07-2018 , 01:35 PM
so kokiri and all

if the mueller investigation concludes no collusion and no obstruction, will you let that topic go?
09-07-2018 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Like you realize that harry Reid got rid of the filibuster for all federal judges except supreme court and then Republicans added the supreme court. But Reid set the precedent again

And i don't blame Reid, the Republicans were beimg obstructionists with their 45 seats just as the dems were beimg with their 49 when the supreme court rule changed
Are you saying it's good that there's no filibuster anymore?
09-07-2018 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Are you saying it's good that there's no filibuster anymore?
for judge confirmations i think so

because its not like the fiibuster is being used to convince anyone anyway

when its used on an important bill it used to be interestign but i dont know if it has any purpose anymore
09-07-2018 , 01:45 PM
i think comittees are part of the problem

there has to be a better way to get bills onto the floor
09-07-2018 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
blaming this all on the Rs is hilarious. it started with bork.
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Originally Posted by True North
Bork was as bad a pick for SCOTUS as there’s ever been, and the right holding him up as the original sin is stunningly bad faith.
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09-07-2018 , 02:12 PM
Mets, I believe this is what the Booker timeline is:

1.) Booker reads aloud from a classified email on Wednesday.

2.) The material Booker already made public is approved for release overnight.

3.) Cornyn complains on Thursday that Booker broke the rules the previous day, referring to step one.

4.) In response to Cornyn, Booker argues his actions were justified, says he will post more classified material online, and invites Cornyn to "bring it".

5.) Reporters confuse the further releases Booker promised on Thursday with the original release on Wednesday, which obviously would no longer have been a rules violation on Thursday.

To be fair, Booker's comments on the matter in response to Cornyn on Thursday weren't all that clear. I didn't quite get it, either, before you posted that video of Booker explaining it.
09-07-2018 , 02:19 PM
he did not send out one classified email. they were all declassified before he sent them, he tried to say they werent

yes he broke the rules on wed.

we all know that
09-07-2018 , 02:19 PM
this whole time i've been seeing "corbyn" when people write "cornyn"

now that i understand this, things make more sense, but seem less interesting
09-07-2018 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Mets, I believe this is what the Booker timeline is:

1.) Booker reads aloud from a classified email on Wednesday.

2.) The material Booker already made public is approved for release overnight.

3.) Cornyn complains on Thursday that Booker broke the rules the previous day, referring to step one.

4.) In response to Cornyn, Booker argues his actions were justified, says he will post more classified material online, and invites Cornyn to "bring it".

5.) Reporters confuse the further releases Booker promised on Thursday with the original release on Wednesday, which obviously would no longer have been a rules violation on Thursday.

To be fair, Booker's comments on the matter in response to Cornyn on Thursday weren't all that clear. I didn't quite get it, either, before you posted that video of Booker explaining it.
at 337 in the video, he says he is now going to release the email with knowledge that it is against the rules and it may cause hi to lose his seat

but releasing the email at that point was not against the rules at all and he know that

at 445 he says he is now releasing committee confidential documents but he was told they were declassified at 4 qam and he knows that

then at 600 he says he didnt violate a senate rule but he violated a process -- now this part can be about wednesday

but that doesnt take away from when at 445 he says he is going to send emails in violation when he knew they werent

cornyn was being a douche too, no doubt.

and if they did press charges against them it would kill the republicans but he did break a rule on wed
09-07-2018 , 02:27 PM
i said months ago in this thread that booker was the best dem candidate if they want to win but again i dont think this helps him unless he somehow does become a martyr

like if he got kicked out of the senate hed win the nomination in a landslide lol
09-07-2018 , 02:29 PM
obama admits that economy is good, takes credit but admits its going well!

so at worse, all of the tarrifs and horrible deals didnt hurt the economy
09-07-2018 , 02:31 PM
Nothing more interesting than a 200 page argument on congressional procedure
09-07-2018 , 02:33 PM
Rather than nominating booker, Dems should just cut out the middle man and nominate a pharmaceutical CEO directly
09-07-2018 , 02:37 PM
booker, harris, warren, biden i assume will be top 4

i think bernie will run with warren as her vp
09-07-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
so kokiri and all

if the mueller investigation concludes no collusion and no obstruction, will you let that topic go?


Depends a bit what you mean by “that topic” but broadly yes.

I think trump’s business ties to Russia are well worth a white collar crime investigation, and I would anticipate journalists digging further there, but that’s sort of tangential to his presidency. Edit: unless it isn’t, ofc.

In essence, I want to see something of substance from mueller before any talk of impeachment. And I feel like ‘no collusion but obstruction of justice’ probably doesn’t get there for me. likewise the porn star payoff probably doesn’t either. In essence it’s a bit dumb that the president can only be convicted of all or nothing.

But also it’s nuts that we’re in a scenario where we’re saying “sure he broke campaign finance laws to pay off a porn star he ****ed while his wife was nursing, and sure he admitted he fired comey to take the heat off him, and sure his son and campaign team met with agents of the Russian state about his election rival, but is any of that really high crimes and misdemeanours?”

Even as I write that I’m close to changing my mind.
09-07-2018 , 02:49 PM
its apparantly not illegal to get dirt on your opponents from the russians, otherwise hillary would be in jail

its all just been a waste of time, but if the result puts some sort of closure on it ill be happy

but i dont think it will
09-07-2018 , 02:57 PM
Like, in what world is the best person to run the country a serial philandering pathological liar who surrounds himself with a court of petty grifters and whose inferiority complex has driven his failing businesses into a mix of bilking suppliers, partnering with people other more reputable businesses wouldn’t touch, and running end arounds the charity laws.

      
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