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This may be true about falsely arrested but im not sure there's evidence that they're more likely to be falsely convicted

But il concede again that there is racism in the system

one would think that logic would dictate that if a particular race was more likely to be falsely arrested then they would be more likely to be falsely convicted. since the latter requires the former.

08-21-2018 , 02:44 PM

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Today: Michael Cohen reaches plea agreement

In this thread:

be careful, lest you be accused of -- well, I'm not even sure what phobia this would be classified as, but, you know

This isn't really a politics thread any more anyway. And I think everyone in here is totally not shocked at this point, so it's sort of "dog bites man" making news.

08-21-2018 , 02:45 PM

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the regime or the people?

the regime.... but sadly the people are somewhat to blame too. we all support our monstrous govts and corporations.

living in the usa, i pay taxes. i give money to the corporate overlords.

08-21-2018 , 02:45 PM

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one would think that logic would dictate that if a particular race was more likely to be falsely arrested then they would be more likely to be falsely convicted. since the latter necessitates the former.

not necessarily, if all of the false arrests get weeded out before trials

(but actually they are also falsely convicted too, because most of the same reasons that led to the false arrests in the first place apply)

also: https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/polit...udy/index.html

Quote:

Researchers focused on three types of crimes where black people were more likely than whites to be exonerated: murder, sexual assault and drug crimes. While they acknowledged that the causes of each exoneration "differ sharply from one type of crime to another," they also said they found patterns of racial discrimination in all three groups.

According to the researchers, innocent blacks are seven times more likely to be convicted of murder than innocent white people. Gross said this was partly because homicide rates among black people are higher than among white people, and innocent black people are therefore more likely to get suspected and convicted of murder. (According to data from the FBI, 52% of murder victims in 2014 were black and 46% were white, and 53% of offenders were black compared to 45% who were white).

In addition, murder cases where a black defendant was wrongfully convicted were 22% more likely to involve police misconduct than those involving white defendants.

08-21-2018 , 02:47 PM

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This hasn't been much of a current events style politics thread in a while.

08-21-2018 , 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

Today: Michael Cohen reaches plea agreement

But instead in this thread:

Who cares

He is not expected to cooperate against trump with the plea

The govt just doesn't want to take chances like with Manafort

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08-21-2018 , 03:01 PM

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Speaking of Manafort, they've reached a verdict on 17 of 18 counts apparently but the judge sent them back

08-21-2018 , 03:03 PM

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I have thought that maybe jurors shouldn't know the race of a murder suspect but not sure how that would work

08-21-2018 , 03:03 PM

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Speaking of Manafort, they've reached a verdict on 17 of 18 counts apparently but the judge sent them back

well, sort of; they did ask what happens if they can't reach a verdict on one count

that's not good news for Manafort IMO, insofar as it's highly unlikely that they are letting him off on everything else but saying "well, maybe he did do this one thing"

08-21-2018 , 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

I mostly agree

Which is why send them back

Unless the hung jury on one count helps an appeal

But seems like a waste of time at this point

08-21-2018 , 03:08 PM

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Antifa nutters allegedly beat up someone on their side for carrying an American flag. Story getting some play. I forget who here defends antifa.

08-21-2018 , 03:10 PM

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That one weird dude popped in here and claimed Twitter was targeting the left. Chips something. Don't think he ever backed it up.

08-21-2018 , 03:12 PM

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The pope wrote some sex abuse apology letter.

08-21-2018 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

I won’t WN this up with seven paragraphs, though I hope he will, but I’ll say that evidence is pretty clear that blacks (possibly in context of being poorer on average) get the short end of the stick in all areas from being falsely at rested more often to what they’re charged with to sentencing for the same crimes.

This probably needs updating but it has some useful links in the first 5-6 posts. Most of the rest of the thread is probably irrelevant.

08-21-2018 , 03:19 PM

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spoilsport

08-21-2018 , 03:21 PM

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yeah, we can't possibly understand the mindset of the saudi regime, so its actions in yemen are totally beyond our ability to criticize

Why do we need to criticize the actions of the Saudi Regime? The US is totally complicit so why not just criticize the US regime?

08-21-2018 , 03:24 PM

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Antifa nutters allegedly beat up someone on their side for carrying an American flag

Well they are anti-fascists

08-21-2018 , 03:34 PM

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The pope wrote some sex abuse apology letter.

I’m sure this will fix everything

08-21-2018 , 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Antifa nutters allegedly beat up someone on their side for carrying an American flag. Story getting some play. I forget who here defends antifa.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/21/a...welch-violence

08-21-2018 , 04:01 PM

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So it sounds like one guy dressed up as Antifa assaulted some other guy?

08-21-2018 , 04:07 PM

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yeah cause antifa wouldnt do that

you are adorable

08-21-2018 , 04:11 PM

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yeah cause antifa wouldnt do that

I didn’t say that. I was just repeating the facts as they were presented in that article you linked.

08-21-2018 , 04:17 PM

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Why do we need to criticize the actions of the Saudi Regime? The US is totally complicit so why not just criticize the US regime?

How do you get accomplice liability without principle liability?

Also, I don't live in Washington DC, so I don't really know what it's like there - probably have no room to talk, myself.

08-21-2018 , 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

How do you get accomplice liability without principle liability?

Also, I don't live in Washington DC, so I don't really know what it's like there - probably have no room to talk, myself.

Well I would argue that the US has principle liability here.

But ultimately you and Mets are missing the point. I said that people in the West should focus on the misery that the West is inflicting on the planet rather than getting involved passing judgement on other countries they know nothing about.
Then you and Mets came in and listed two example of western imperialism which is exactly the kind of thing I think we should be worrying about instead of prisons in the DPRK or whatever else

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