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I was sort of more thinking a judge orders a thing, it's ignored, the judge is overruled and found to be wrong in his order, can the paper who ignored it still have some sorry of punishment levied against them.

I imagine maybe you don't know. I guess all lawyers don't know everything!

08-14-2018 , 01:19 PM

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Division of labor outside of Europe is too barbaric... We'll forgive these noble savages who know not what they do.

08-14-2018 , 01:22 PM

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Pwns - if the court's order is ignored before the order is overturned, I think there's still a basis for contempt.

08-14-2018 , 01:50 PM

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Alright, cool. I would guess so but was interested.

08-14-2018 , 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

1. Should the courts be able to receive documents filed "under seal" (outside of public purview)?

Absolutely. Materials relating to ongoing investigations and medical records should not be compromised (in terms of privacy) in order for their relevance to be exercised in a given proceeding.

2. Can the court punish a newspaper for disobeying its order?

Yes - through the court's contempt power. Fines and jail time are available remedies.

when the judge walks in and out and the baliff says "all rise", if you don't stand up you'll get fined and/or go to jail, right?

if the judge tells you to take your hat off and you don't do it you'll get fined and/or go to jail, right?

i mean wtf.... how is that a thing?

if the judge thinks your tone is disrespectful, you'll go to jail too right?

08-14-2018 , 04:06 PM

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A pretty useful term is rent seeking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

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In public choice theory and in economics, rent-seeking involves seeking to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating new wealth. Rent-seeking results in reduced economic efficiency through poor allocation of resources, reduced actual wealth-creation, lost government revenue, increased income inequality,[1] and (potentially) national decline.

Attempts at capture of regulatory agencies to gain a coercive monopoly can result in advantages for the rent seeker in a market while imposing disadvantages on (incorrupt) competitors. This constitutes one of many possible forms of rent-seeking behavior.

Rent seeking is the business model of ISPs. Comcast surely has a VP of Rent-Seeking and they are the most important person in the company. They are built on rents, not technology.

Net neutrality is one small mitigation of ISP rent seeking. More are needed to achieve the capitalist dream of efficiency.

08-14-2018 , 04:28 PM

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personally, I don't understand why you would want to piss off the judge to begin with - maybe to draw an appealable error?

the rationale for maintaining decorum in the courtroom should be obvious

showing respect for the court is sort of an a priori requirement

although I agree that removing one's cap doesn't really fit the bill

08-14-2018 , 04:35 PM

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Mets, you're making the trickle down argument for ISPs

How does allowing Comcast to make YouTube pay more for access to its pipeline encourage Comcast to upgrade its pipeline?

If anything, doesn't it provide Comcast the opportunity to increase its profits instead off of the existing pipeline?

08-14-2018 , 04:38 PM

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maintaining decorum and being forced to stand up when someone enters and exits the room are way different.

there is that one judge recently who got busted for selling kids to private prisons. he would convict them, and the prisons would give him a kickback.

maybe some judges are great people. but we don't have to stand up for some of them. we have to stand up for all of them.

08-14-2018 , 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

The Ottomans stole the land immediately prior, but they're not worthy of "imperialism"... It was only England's theft that's relevant.

Why is this relevant unless your main objective is to play some sort of perverse, historical blame game?

08-14-2018 , 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Division of labor outside of Europe is too barbaric... We'll forgive these noble savages who know not what they do.

It is amazing to me how colossally you continue to miss the point on these issues.

08-14-2018 , 05:05 PM

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Twitter is banning/limiting accounts that are attempting to raise awareness of the violence in Yemen.

Not a violation of “free speech” though!

08-14-2018 , 05:09 PM

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Twitter is banning/limiting accounts that are attempting to raise awareness of the violence in Yemen.

Not a violation of “free speech” though!

First they go after the right wingers and get the left wingers to laugh..then when they go after the left wingers the right wingers laugh and then everybody is having a good time.

08-14-2018 , 05:10 PM

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Twitter is banning/limiting accounts that are attempting to raise awareness of the violence in Yemen.

Not a violation of “free speech” though!

link?

08-14-2018 , 05:11 PM

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you're not standing up for the judge

you're standing up for The Court, which is merely being occupied/animated by the judge

08-14-2018 , 05:17 PM

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Why is this relevant unless your main objective is to play some sort of perverse, historical blame game?

it's relevant because the game, and I agree it is perverse, is Whose Land Is It Anyway

mets argued that political domination of the land changed hands multiple times, yet you maintain that you are only concerned with European domination, because only Europeans get to be imperialists

prior conquerors dislocated locals, installed their own locals, and those new locals were then dislocated by subsequent conquerors

most of those people were muslim, but they were not really a singular people - until teh joos starting moving in (well before 1948), at which point suddenly there was a national sanctity being jeopardized

08-14-2018 , 05:20 PM

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your eurocentric teleology is misconstruingly coloring your read of the situation

08-14-2018 , 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

First they go after the right wingers and get the left wingers to laugh..then when they go after the left wingers the right wingers laugh and then everybody is having a good time.

they've been going after the leftists forever and far more than right wing. The right wing identity politics and outrage machine is unmatched and games the system. Also the management at twitter is fundamentally sympathetic to white supremacy and unsympathetic to its victims.

08-14-2018 , 05:22 PM

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to be a "palestinian" basically means to be a gentile in israel

so it's hard to divorce the "israel" issue from the jewish people

08-15-2018 , 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

to be a "palestinian" basically means to be a gentile in israel

so it's hard to divorce the "israel" issue from the jewish people

Smartest thing I've read in this thread in weeks

08-15-2018 , 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

I've stated multiple times that i think net neutrality is probably good even though i don't love regulation

But i said people are over exaggerating the horror of not having it

08-15-2018 , 12:32 AM

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Not bad either

08-15-2018 , 03:56 AM

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The GOP's candidate for a house seat in Missouri is a guy who believes that "Hitler was right about what was taking place in Germany. And who was behind it"

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When asked about Jewish people in Missouri, he said, “Well, maybe they shouldn’t vote for me.”

from his website:

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I'm tired of weak, limp wristed Republicans, caving in to the media, afraid to tackle tough issues. I'm not afraid and I love a good fight. I can't wait to charge this hill. To me it will be fun, and I'll relish in it, like Trump is doing today. We need to just keep coming and hit back, finally!

sure seems like Trump's emboldening these people

08-15-2018 , 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

The last paragraph misses the issue that national self determination and the nation-state are really recent phenomena. National sanctity wasn’t a concern because, broadly and ianae here, no one really gave a **** about the nation (ie the people). You’re projecting contemporary ideas about the nation and the state back into places where it wasn’t applied. Prior to 1945, Palestine was a mandate of the League of Nations - ie it was deemed incapable of self rule.

08-15-2018 , 06:48 AM

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european nationalism predates 1945 by like two-hundred years

the organization of a people around a distinctive culture, which is the essence of nationhood, goes back much further

regardless, your suggestion in this post is that Palestinians have it both ways - they have no national history yet they nevertheless possess national identity

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