sorry for the bad memories.

yeah- well, such is life......

I wanted to cross post this here since I'm sure there are lots of people here that never even open the politics thread and since this is affecting me personally it definitely goes beyond any discussion of gun control that we might have in the other thread


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so my brother got arrested last night for carrying a concealed weapon. He doesn't have a concealed weapons permit

he was driving my ex-girlfriends car (don't ask) and the gun was in the center console

the cops had to search the books for 30 minutes to figure out if arresting him was right and its clearly not

"F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation."

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03102.htm

of course, he had to spend 12 hours in jail. We had to pay $500 to bail him out, my ex-gf's car got impounded and we had to pay $42 to get it out of the impound lot- and the people there are just straight up criminals

his iphone and wallet were stollen from the car and they also removed her registration from the car which required us to go to a third party dmv (basically a super duper check cashing facility) in order to get a copy of her registration to get her car out

Yeah that's pretty hot. I love technology lol

Manu,

that's dope, what guitar are you looking at?

it's funny because i just went through the same mental debate.

I ended up buying a 2400$ guitar (YAMAHA SA2200) and justified it initially by saying A. it will inspire me to broaden my horizons of music by learning a little more jazz stuff, or wahtever. and B. it's a guitar ill be very happy with for decades.

its totally been the best purchase in the last year that i've made tho, i'd say go blow your wad on the guitar


pic for reference / brag imo

All guitar playing musicians I know own at least 5 superexpensive guitars for different music styles or aesthetic reasons. I think it's the same obsession that I have with books in a different form.

I'm really sorry to hear about your brother. I assume that they found the gun when he was searching for registration/insurance.

That really freaking sucks and it sounds like the police are totally and completely in the wrong, regardless of anyone's personal beliefs on gun control. Police are supposed to enforce the law fairly and it sounds pretty freaking obvious that they aren't in this case.

why did he leave his iphone and wallet in the car? That seems pretty dumb to me. Have the police lock it up as "evidence" if anything.

If the police wouldn't do the above, would it be possible to sue the police department for his stolen goods that were left in the car. I'm guessing this is only available if the police didn't give him a chance to secure such items with them prior to being detained.

I wish him the best of luck. Hopefully he'll get a fair DA/judge to hear his case.

I think this relates to the twin brother discussion btw, should he in theory (ignoring the restrictions on if it's a crime based on storage) be persecuted eventhough he wasn't aware of the existance of the gun?

Which of the gods will have greatest score?
Quoth the raven: clearly Thor.

he did ask them to grab his phone and wallet

he admitted that he had a gun because the first question they almost always ask (at least with us here) is if you have any weapons- and the gun was perfectly legal.

im not worried about the case. the letter of the law seems very very clear so im sure that it will be dropped- hopefully before his first court date

Well, he did know about the gun, since it was his.

From the link:

The answer is a very clear no.

Admitting to having a gun seems like a no-win prospect. Lying to the cops is a bad idea, but saying something technically true like "I'm not carrying a weapon" is way better than admitting it, even if you think it's legal. Not trying to blame your brother, obviously.

More importantly, are you sure your brother fits within that exception? You didn't mention if the gun was holstered or not, and the statute only exempts guns in cases or holsters.

I agree with you. I think he should have just lied.

Yes. It very very clearly says that storage compartments are ok and if they are in a storage compartment they aren't required to be in a holster.

"Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation."


Basically, there are only two ways for a gun (otherwise legal) to be illegal in a car in Arizona. If you are concealing it on your person- or if you had the gun easily accessible (like under your seat) and also not in a compartment, holster, case, etc.

*correction- easily accessible but also concealed. Having the gun unholstered and sitting on the passenger seat is perfectly legal.

I was looking at a Gibson Dove, but not sure if I wanted acoustic electric or not. I'm trying not to do too much thinking during finals because it'll just distract me and if I did make a purchase I'd want to play it all day. So I need to wait until Dec 18 when I'm done to make the decision. And I might be in a finals induced haze/hangover that morning/afternoon that spending $ seems like the cure.

Sick guitar, btw. What did you have before- did you really need this guy or did you just want it?

update:

I called the prosecuting attorney's office but they won't even speak to you (which I already knew but figured I'd try it) if you aren't an attorney. Its actually against the legal code of ethics for them to do so which I can appreciate.

So I've put in a couple calls to law firms that specialize in gun laws here but all of the lawyers are in court so I'm now waiting on calls back.

What I think is that we'll definitely go without a lawyer for the arraignment and if the case isn't dropped after that he'll probably need to get one.

if you can wait a little while (2 years?) i'll help ya out

cops don't know the law
dont offer information
good luck with all that

I'm reading the entire chapter of the arizona code (title 13 chapter 31) that deals with weapons laws

when traveling to Arizona, leave your nunchucks at home, because they are illegal here

I can walk around with a unregistered gun (its actually illegal for the legislature to enact laws requiring registration) strapped to my hip but I can't own nunchucks

Hi, didnt there used to be turbos here?

you say that like its a bad thing

I think like four of them ran over the weekend.

Hey,

nope, this is the sheep forum.

No more weekdays though?

ty for your quick response btw

BTW in the latest reminder that it really is a small, small, small, small world, I just came across one of my wife's best friends on match.com ... there's even a photo of the two of them together.

I think we have one of the most restrictive gun laws in existance but there's one funny part in it. Celebrities and politicians are allowed to carry concealed weapons at will once they got a gun permit. Makes me wonder how that celebrity status is judged.