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01-20-2011 , 11:34 PM

#44001

Neil S

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Yes and no. You can't replicate an iMac on your own though. That engineering is beyond what you can build on your own with mail ordered parts.

So yes, you can build your own, but not as well.

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01-20-2011 , 11:34 PM

#44002

Neil S

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PS, your proof is only proof again if your time is worthless.

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01-20-2011 , 11:36 PM

#44003

atakdog

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Originally Posted by Systolic

And yes, Macs get viruses just like PCs do.

Do you personally know, or have you ever met, anyone who has gotten any malware on a mac?

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01-20-2011 , 11:37 PM

#44004

chim17

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How long does it take to order and build a computer.. and put on an OS and programs? 3 hours? Max?

My time is not worth $233/hr. Long shot from worthless.

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01-20-2011 , 11:39 PM

#44005

atakdog

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Originally Posted by Systolic

Or is it just that feeling that you have to justify spending 700 dollars extra to yourself somehow?

Maybe its the social class bracket that apple caters and appeals to.

If you really believe that this is why a significant portion of Mac buyers choose them, then I suppose I should be offended, except that it's such an idiotic view that I'm not.

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01-20-2011 , 11:40 PM

#44006

chim17

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I'm pretty sure a significant portion of Mac buyers choose them due to marketing.

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01-20-2011 , 11:41 PM

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chim17

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As an aside, my best friend is a huge Apple guy and worked at a Mac store, his wife is a genius employee.

He'll tell you a large % of people buy them because they are expensive and like expensive things.

edit: In fact, he liked identifying with Apple less after seeing a lot of their customers. Now, this is surely true of every product.. and not important. But I doubt the view is entirely idiotic.

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01-20-2011 , 11:42 PM

#44008

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Originally Posted by chim17

I'm pretty sure a significant portion of Mac buyers choose them due to marketing.

it may vary in the age ranges, but most definitely people my age buy them for the "cool" factor

with the exception of arts people, who say the software for music/art/photos is better on macs. if that's true that's a valid reason but that might just be them covering their lurve for brandage

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01-20-2011 , 11:43 PM

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chim17

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The thing is.. buying them because they are cool and trendy and good marketing is an acceptable reason to buy them.

But lets not pretend everyone that goes into buy a Mac is thinking about viruses or stability.

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01-20-2011 , 11:44 PM

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I realize people are stupid and easily influenced by marketing, but just about everyone who buys a Mac also knows someone else who owns one, and it's nearly 100% that their friend the Mac owner likes it and has had few problems. And everyone knows Windows machine owners, and a significant number of them will be unhappy for whatever reason. Maybe that doesn't justify the extra money, maybe it does, but to say it's all marketing and supposed cachet is missing the fact that most people have evidence that they're better.

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01-20-2011 , 11:46 PM

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I'm pretty sure you're entirely overstating the fact that people that buy them because they heard how stable and awesome and virus free they are.

My only anecdotal evidence is my friend and his wife.. but he definitely said most of the customers he had in didn't care about any of that. They cared about that it was cool.

I'm not saying there are not those benefits, but I really don't believe most people care about them when they buy Apple products.

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01-20-2011 , 11:47 PM

#44012

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Also, lol @ Apple products always being a finished ready to go product.

Apple released a press release to store managers saying they realized the iPhone4 dropped calls without the bumper on it, and they had no intention of fixing it.. so to upsell the bumpers.

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01-20-2011 , 11:48 PM

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I have a laptop that cost ~£800, and a quick glance at apples website shows that there isn't a macbook pro with the same specs (as a base model, you probably can add the RAM and w/e) but it'd be well over £2000. There is no way I'm paying the extra £1200 because it's pretty and lightweight and virus free and w/e.

The only problem I've had was one piece of malware which was solved in about 5 minutes with a quick AIM to Chips. Everything else has been perfect.

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01-20-2011 , 11:50 PM

#44014

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Originally Posted by chim17

I don't think anyone here made that claim.

They screwed up with the antennagate issue, pretty clearly... or they just didn't care about producinga good product. Jobs seems to be leaning more and more toward image in his dying days (dying as a CEO, anyway). But the Mac itself hasn't suffered much from that, not like the iPhone has.

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01-20-2011 , 11:51 PM

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chim17

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Atak, I do agree for a lot of people they are probably a better product most of the time. Want to be clear I don't disagree with that. Just get annoyed with the talking points of the Apple people about the huge time sink PC's are.

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01-20-2011 , 11:51 PM

#44016

chim17

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Originally Posted by atakdog

You're right.. Neil said Mac and I inferred Apple.

My fault.

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01-20-2011 , 11:52 PM

#44017

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However, I also firmly believe Mac would not be a better product for me. I've had a lot of different Apple products, and been around Mac's a lot. I definitely don't agree they are just blatantly better.

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01-20-2011 , 11:52 PM

#44018

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Originally Posted by TimeLady

Just one infection so far. very nice.

Pray tell, how long have you owned this marvel of security technology?

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01-20-2011 , 11:54 PM

#44019

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Originally Posted by atakdog

Just one infection so far. very nice.

Pray tell, how long have you owned this marvel of security technology?

like 10 months

to be fair, my old laptop didn't break of virus either. it broke because i dropped it

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01-20-2011 , 11:54 PM

#44020

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lol

Macs /Mac OS isn't more secure than Windows.

It's just attacked less

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01-20-2011 , 11:55 PM

#44021

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Originally Posted by chim17

That's fair. They are better for many people. It is clearly not correct that they are unarguably overpriced, as for many people the increment is worth it (even ignoring "style" and exclusivity). But for many people they are a bad deal, and for some they aren't even the right machine independent of price.

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01-20-2011 , 11:55 PM

#44022

chim17

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Originally Posted by Zurvan

lol

Macs /Mac OS isn't more secure than Windows.

It's just attacked less

I was going to make this point, but I do understand the counter argument for the consumer is.. who cares? If they aren't bothered by it thats what matters.

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01-20-2011 , 11:57 PM

#44023

chim17

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Originally Posted by atakdog

I agree with all this, despite what I argued with above.

In the long run I always hate this debate.. because only each person can decide what their money is worth, what they want out of a system (and again, "cool" is an acceptable use of money.. I'm not even disparaging that).. and what will work for them.

There is no right answer, and I get really annoyed when people take that stance.

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01-20-2011 , 11:57 PM

#44024

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Originally Posted by Zurvan

lol

Macs /Mac OS isn't more secure than Windows.

It's just attacked less

Who ****ing cares.

Let's say you're comparing a house in a good neighborhood, and a similarly-secured house in the worst neighborhood in town. Is it wrong to consider safety in deciding which to purchase?

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01-20-2011 , 11:59 PM

#44025

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Originally Posted by chim17

I was going to make this point, but I do understand the counter argument for the consumer is.. who cares? If they aren't bothered by it thats what matters.

but as market share increases so do attacks.

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